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Physical idealism
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RE: Physical idealism
(May 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I am a bit puzzled by your thinking that atheism and Platonism can peacefully coexist. At a minimum, Platonic objects are both supernatural and immaterial, which most atheists would reject. Holding to that sort of minimal Platonism would not, I suppose, require someone to believe an intelligent agent governs the Realm of Forms. At the same time, not doing so seems to stop short of a fully developed Platonism, like that of Plotinus, who to my mind is the epitome of pagan Platonist thought.
I'm not sure how you could derive the supernatural directly from Platonism unless you simply equate nature with the physical world, rather than allowing certain Platonic objects to equally constitute its form... though, obviously, none so extravagant as some deities are so defined. There's nothing intrinsic to the idea of immaterial beings (such as geometric figures) that must be excluded in one's rejection of entities represented by the admixture of attributes oftentimes annexed to the various gods. Plotinus, if I recall, also believed that neither existence nor non-existence, being nor non-being, could be predicated upon "the One" or the "All", as it was wholly incomprehensible. In other words, it was a meaningless proposition, in much the same way that I take the claim that the universe came from nothing to be a meaningless proposition.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 7, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Physical idealism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 7, 2016 at 9:36 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 9, 2016 at 11:05 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by Alex K - May 7, 2016 at 10:32 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 7, 2016 at 10:36 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 11, 2016 at 11:16 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 12, 2016 at 12:04 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 8, 2016 at 12:05 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 8, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 12, 2016 at 8:30 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2016 at 8:37 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 12, 2016 at 6:59 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 13, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 13, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 13, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 13, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 12, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2016 at 9:00 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 12, 2016 at 9:39 pm
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RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 12, 2016 at 11:46 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 12, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 12, 2016 at 11:53 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 13, 2016 at 5:21 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 13, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 13, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 13, 2016 at 11:48 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 13, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 13, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 13, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 13, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2016 at 7:32 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 14, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2016 at 9:05 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 14, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 14, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 15, 2016 at 6:58 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2016 at 7:23 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 14, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Whateverist - May 14, 2016 at 9:03 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 15, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 15, 2016 at 10:59 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2016 at 11:05 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 15, 2016 at 9:14 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Mudhammam - May 16, 2016 at 3:46 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 16, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 16, 2016 at 8:33 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by TheRocketSurgeon - May 16, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Whateverist - May 16, 2016 at 12:32 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 16, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 16, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 16, 2016 at 2:21 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 16, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 17, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: Physical idealism - by bennyboy - May 17, 2016 at 11:01 am
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RE: Physical idealism - by The Grand Nudger - May 18, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Physical idealism - by Ignorant - May 20, 2016 at 4:53 am

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