RE: Can I just say, and I'm just being honest...
March 29, 2019 at 8:56 am
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2019 at 8:57 am by robvalue.)
Can I just rant:
Things look so different now to back when I put in my vote to remain. I’ve learnt a whole lot, and things are far less clear cut than I thought.
The sheer audacity of the government has astounded me. Even though I "lost" in the vote, I expect the winning side to be upheld. That has systematically not been done. The MPs voting "no deal" off the table was, in my opinion, voting to mostly ignore the referendum result. There was no mention of deals in the disastrously poorly run referendum choices, and I’d wager most people who voted to leave wanted to do so without being still tied to the EU.
Having done that, now today they are voting on whether to uphold their own promise to deliver Brexit today, deal or no deal. They don’t have a deal currently, and it’s either incompetence or sabotage to be holding a final vote on the final day. The result should be to leave with no deal. My research indicates this deal they are voting on will, in effect, make us subservient to the EU; it's the worst possible outcome for the actual people of Britain. This deal pleases no one. Remain voters don’t want this, nor do most leave voters. The people who want this are the ones at the top.
So fuck this horse shit. Unfortunately, there is no cause of action which is ideal and the clear best option. Like I said, I think this deal is awful and a clear attempt to stay under EU control while technically leaving it. The fact that our "government" would want that for us shows how much they care about our interests. So that leaves remaining, or leaving with no deal. The former will be chaotic, no one can really say how it will work out. The latter, however sensible it appears on the surface, is ultimately an awful future for us in my opinion. Check out article 11 and 13 for the kind of organisation we're dealing with.
Both sides ran dirty campaigns filled with lies. Both sides had hidden agendas. But on reflection, I think the leave side were more honest and more interested in discussing actual issues and facts. I now understand the validity of many things they said, even though they may not have framed them very well. Of course they had to play dirty, because the remain campaign were doing the same. Well, they didn’t have to, but they’d have lost if they didn’t. I don’t support anyone playing dirty, of course.
So on balance, I think the vote today is the final piece of either an incompetent mess or calculated sabotage, and I’m leaning towards the latter. They should do what they promised, and leave today; if no deal has been properly agreed by this stage then that’s too bad. They’ve had forever to fucking sort it out. This flurry of activity at the last moment stinks of foul play.
Things look so different now to back when I put in my vote to remain. I’ve learnt a whole lot, and things are far less clear cut than I thought.
The sheer audacity of the government has astounded me. Even though I "lost" in the vote, I expect the winning side to be upheld. That has systematically not been done. The MPs voting "no deal" off the table was, in my opinion, voting to mostly ignore the referendum result. There was no mention of deals in the disastrously poorly run referendum choices, and I’d wager most people who voted to leave wanted to do so without being still tied to the EU.
Having done that, now today they are voting on whether to uphold their own promise to deliver Brexit today, deal or no deal. They don’t have a deal currently, and it’s either incompetence or sabotage to be holding a final vote on the final day. The result should be to leave with no deal. My research indicates this deal they are voting on will, in effect, make us subservient to the EU; it's the worst possible outcome for the actual people of Britain. This deal pleases no one. Remain voters don’t want this, nor do most leave voters. The people who want this are the ones at the top.
So fuck this horse shit. Unfortunately, there is no cause of action which is ideal and the clear best option. Like I said, I think this deal is awful and a clear attempt to stay under EU control while technically leaving it. The fact that our "government" would want that for us shows how much they care about our interests. So that leaves remaining, or leaving with no deal. The former will be chaotic, no one can really say how it will work out. The latter, however sensible it appears on the surface, is ultimately an awful future for us in my opinion. Check out article 11 and 13 for the kind of organisation we're dealing with.
Both sides ran dirty campaigns filled with lies. Both sides had hidden agendas. But on reflection, I think the leave side were more honest and more interested in discussing actual issues and facts. I now understand the validity of many things they said, even though they may not have framed them very well. Of course they had to play dirty, because the remain campaign were doing the same. Well, they didn’t have to, but they’d have lost if they didn’t. I don’t support anyone playing dirty, of course.
So on balance, I think the vote today is the final piece of either an incompetent mess or calculated sabotage, and I’m leaning towards the latter. They should do what they promised, and leave today; if no deal has been properly agreed by this stage then that’s too bad. They’ve had forever to fucking sort it out. This flurry of activity at the last moment stinks of foul play.
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