(August 20, 2016 at 5:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(August 20, 2016 at 4:58 pm)RozKek Wrote: Before we try to find evidence for a god, we need to figure out how the metaphysical can interact with the physical. Makes no sense to me. And if god is physical, then surely we'd find signs of him. If god is physical, then he's deterministic and completely predictable. If not, then he's random, and I don't see a god in any of those options. In other words, god doesn't seem physically possible.
Edit: The idea that the universe itself is God, it doesn't make sense to me. It still stands that he's either completely predictable or has a bit of randomness (but still deterministic and predictable in bigger scales). That doesn't seem godlike to me.
Him being the universe takes the whole God thing down a notch. It doesn't make anymore sense to worship it. It's completely fine, as well as being the only logical conclusion to draw in the end when considering the possibility of a world creating deity.
A god either made the universe while being part of a larger universe, or is the Universe. If he is the universe, then theists are merely confused about semantics.
There's no need to pray to the Universe, though I might be more forgiving of religion if it raised temples for Nature instead of for imaginary humanoid figures.
The Universe just is. Call it whatever you like, I guess, as long as you don't consider it to be anything else than what it is, and to call it God, seems to do just that, namely to undervalue the grandeur of the Cosmos.
Nothing can be greater than the Cosmos, so a God is either a part of it or is merely synonymous with it.
Returning to my earlier train of thought, the other possible inference one could possibly make about a God is that it was part of a different Universe prior to creating this one. In that scenario, we're talking about a programmer God, in a wide sense. That's certainly possible that we live in a simulation that was created by someone else in a reality probably forever closed to us, but in that case it makes no difference. Unless this programmer actually created us and is intent on making direct contact with the characters within its simulation one day(us) --- Great idea for a movie BTW ---, you might as well forget about the whole thing. Unless and until shown otherwise, atheism is the only, the only sensible position one can take.
Yeah, but that other universe god is just an idea pulled out of thin air like all other gods, that's a strong reason for me to not believe in it at all. I won't even consider its possibility, but at the same time I don't say it's literally a 0% chance that it's true. But even that programmer god, if it's physical, then as far as we know it's either deterministic or partially deterministic and that doesn't seem like a god to me. The universe being a sentient being that for some reason has feelings, thoughts and cares about humans? Sounds like bullshit and a fairy tale.
