New Clinton email controversy

[Neo-Scholastic]

I think it's completely irrelevant whether it's part of the woman or not.

If so, then the argument that abortion should be permitted on the basis of a fetus being "her body" is also irrelevant. You cannot have it both ways.

The question is... if the fetus is aborted does it suffer and even if it does suffer would the mother always suffer more than the fetus if she was not allowed an abortion when she wanted one? I think so yes.

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A female adult being violated by being not allowed to do what she wants to do with her body suffers more than a fetus.

If a mother could choose whether she wanted to have the abortion or not... would it be more moral for her to not desire the abortion than for her to desire it if the fetus could suffer? Not necessarily at all, I think. Perhaps bringing a child into the world would cause more suffering for the mother the child and others than its nonexistence. Having children is not necessarily a good thing. Is the mother a good mother and will the child be happy or will it depress the mother and others more than make them happy (in the long run, ultimately a human adult is being raised not just a baby or a child)?

Perhaps it would be moral if a mother who would be a good mother--and raise their child to be a very happy and healthy adult and that child also made her happy and grew up to be a good influence on others around them--didn't want to abort a fetus in the late stages

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... but if the mother does want to abort the fetus she should be allowed to because she'd suffer a lot more than a fetus if she was prevented from doing so.

Making a utilitarian argument with suffering as the sole criteria is problematic. If you apply that reasoning to cases other than abortion the flaw becomes immediately apparent. If suffering is the only criteria then it would be morally permissible for one person to benefit from causing the quick and painless death of another, regardless of age or circumstances. Secondly you have applied a double standard. For the fetus, you define suffering only in terms of physical pain and not loss of potential goods. But for the mother, you define suffering in terms of lost opportunities and/or incurring future obligations.