Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 27, 2024, 5:25 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Strong and Weak Arguments
#5
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
(December 29, 2016 at 2:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I would like to hear what AF members think are the weakest arguments supporting their position and strongest arguments against it. Believers are invited to admit the skeptical objections they find most reasonable (even if they do not sway you) and critique the worst apologetics. Skeptics are invited to admit which apologetic seems most reasonable (even if they do not sway you) and critique the least valid objections. So I’ll start…

IMO the weakest apologetic is Pascal’s wager since it relies entirely on a specific cultural context.

IMO the most reasonable objection comes from Kant. He proposes that ‘being’ is not a proper predicate and therefore the saying that God’s essence is the same as His existence is problematic.

I don't know that I focus much on weak arguments (they kind of just pass through from both sides) and yes, I would agree, that there are bad arguments from theists; and in either case, I believe these normally come from a lack of thought and effort on the part of the claimant.

One that does stick out to me, which is a little off topic, was about mind dualism.  A podcaster who I normally enjoy listening too, was claiming that color was only in the mind, and giving an example of imagining your mother and then asking what color her blouse was, saying that this color couldn't be found in the brain.   I think that there is a way to clarify what he meant, but at the time I was arguing with the radio, and still think that it could be presented better.

I do think that the problem of evil carries a heavy emotional appeal, and is difficult to explain from that perspective.

Note: On Pascals wager.  I think this is only a weak argument when it is misunderstood as to it's purpose (which I do see theists misusing it).    It's not meant to give reason in support for God or Christianity.  It is a risk vs rewards analysis comparing two worldviews and the consequences.   The ideas behind it are very successful, and wise council in matter's of investment or health.  I even remember in a poker book I had read, how it isn't a good practice to bluff all in, to win a small pot (the risks far out weigh the reward). Pascals wager is using the same principles.  I don't see where it relies on cultural context.  I wouldn't criticize it in principle, but think it has difficulty in it's application.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 29, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 29, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 29, 2016 at 3:35 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 29, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by mlmooney89 - December 29, 2016 at 3:54 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by RoadRunner79 - December 29, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 29, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by 21stCenturyIconoclast - December 29, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 29, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by purplepurpose - December 29, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - December 29, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 29, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by purplepurpose - December 29, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 29, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by purplepurpose - December 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by vorlon13 - December 29, 2016 at 5:35 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 29, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Angrboda - December 29, 2016 at 9:07 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - December 30, 2016 at 12:36 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Angrboda - December 30, 2016 at 6:41 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - December 29, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 30, 2016 at 12:18 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 30, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 30, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - December 30, 2016 at 11:40 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - December 30, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by vorlon13 - December 30, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by RoadRunner79 - December 30, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 30, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by LostLocke - December 30, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Asmodee - December 30, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Angrboda - December 30, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Asmodee - December 30, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 30, 2016 at 1:02 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by downbeatplumb - December 30, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by downbeatplumb - December 30, 2016 at 2:21 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 30, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2016 at 3:14 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 30, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Angrboda - December 30, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2016 at 5:16 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Mr Greene - December 30, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by LastPoet - December 30, 2016 at 5:55 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Mr Greene - December 30, 2016 at 7:43 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - December 30, 2016 at 11:37 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by emjay - December 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ApeNotKillApe - December 31, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - December 31, 2016 at 11:29 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ApeNotKillApe - December 31, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - December 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ApeNotKillApe - January 1, 2017 at 12:16 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by paulpablo - January 1, 2017 at 5:10 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - January 1, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by emjay - January 2, 2017 at 7:11 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Vast Vision - January 9, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 9, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Edwardo Piet - January 9, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 9, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Alex K - January 9, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Edwardo Piet - January 9, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ApeNotKillApe - January 9, 2017 at 8:23 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Simon Moon - January 9, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - January 9, 2017 at 10:36 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by downbeatplumb - January 10, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Alex K - January 10, 2017 at 6:39 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Vast Vision - January 9, 2017 at 5:59 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by paulpablo - January 9, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Edwardo Piet - January 9, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by robvalue - January 9, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Alex K - January 10, 2017 at 1:11 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - January 10, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Alex K - January 10, 2017 at 10:07 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Whateverist - January 10, 2017 at 2:41 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Mr Greene - January 10, 2017 at 7:45 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Vast Vision - January 10, 2017 at 8:17 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by paulpablo - January 10, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by chimp3 - January 10, 2017 at 8:19 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 10, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by chimp3 - January 10, 2017 at 8:29 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Asmodee - January 10, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 8:48 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ukatheist - January 10, 2017 at 9:10 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Alex K - January 10, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 10, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Angrboda - January 10, 2017 at 7:20 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 12:41 am
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by Vast Vision - January 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by paulpablo - January 10, 2017 at 3:44 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ukatheist - January 10, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: Strong and Weak Arguments - by ukatheist - January 10, 2017 at 3:44 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence Otangelo 84 10810 January 14, 2020 at 5:59 pm
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
  How do religious people react to their own arguments? Vast Vision 60 16416 July 9, 2017 at 2:16 am
Last Post: Astonished
  Atheists, what are the most convincing theist arguments you heard of? SuperSentient 169 22202 April 1, 2017 at 9:43 pm
Last Post: Neo-Scholastic
  Why most arguments for God prove God. Mystic 67 8652 March 25, 2017 at 12:57 pm
Last Post: Fred Hampton
  Q about arguments for God's existence. Mudhammam 579 148312 October 25, 2016 at 10:00 am
Last Post: Little Rik
  Stupid arguments for God The Atheist 16 3684 March 25, 2016 at 10:46 pm
Last Post: ignoramus
  Arguments against Deism and for religion. Mystic 32 12682 March 12, 2016 at 1:54 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Refuting typical arguments dyresand 4 1436 February 9, 2016 at 1:13 pm
Last Post: robvalue
  Why logical arguments for Messengers don't work. Mystic 45 11429 January 6, 2016 at 2:40 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Stupid Facebook arguments RobbyPants 14 6106 February 5, 2015 at 4:35 am
Last Post: kookookachoo



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)