RE: Why is it okay when God kills people?
May 12, 2017 at 9:17 am
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2017 at 10:01 am by Drich.)
(May 10, 2017 at 10:24 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='1550720' dateline='1494424472']
for everyone in that country yes. That is what morality is. One can only say it is not right if and only if they belong to a greater group.
So that morality is right for the christians in that country being killed?
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That 'morality' supersedes and Christian thoughts on the matter in that country.. just like here with any other Christian topic that society deems immoral.
(May 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='1550685' dateline='1494421571']
Morality is not a fixed value. To the muslim killing Christians in a MORAL OBLIGATION lest you be found a infidel yourself for not following the teaching of mo-ham. with in those borders for the million upon millions who live there it is indeed morally right to kill.
The only time it ceases being morally right is when a bigger badder people come along and topple that society, and demand they adopt their 'morality.' in either case the might of the many define the right and wrong of the people.
Quote:for everyone in that country yes. That is what morality is. One can only say it is not right if and only if they belong to a greater group.
Quote:We are obviously defining "morality" differently.Not differently at a different depth.
Quote:When I speak of morality, I am referring to decisions and actions that effect other's well being. A decision or action is morally good, if it positively effects someone's well being, or does not harm their well being, or is neutral to their well being. It is immoral of it harms other's well being.So am I. However I am simply allowing for the cultural differences that allows what you would consider an immoral act, a holy one to someone in another culture. Or do you truly not understand no culture sees themselves as being evil. There HAS to literally be a Moral justification and cultural acceptance for everything all cultures do. that is the only solid thing we share. Or Do you think the ISIS Muslims think it is morally wrong to cut the heads off of demons?
With the Jews if you studied the German propaganda they used science to sell genocide citing that the jews were a leach/roach mongrel race of inferior people that were killing the 'evolution' of humanity. Keeping Man from evolving into what science would call 'super humans.'
No one sees themselves as bad and no matter how evil we get we will always have a justification for what we do. why it is good and good for society.
I am simply saying without any righteous foundation without absolutes, there is no way to truly understand what 'good' is. There is only might makes right.
Quote:The Muslims with the power in the countries that are killing Christians, may believe they are moral (according to their doctrine), but since they are harming other's well being, they are not.Again says who? someone who is in a mightier position. now put yourself in the persecuted shoe of the Christian in that country. If you had universal truth and authority on your side you could stop this persecution right? you could call those people on their sins and make them stop... In reality though what do you think would happen? Their might would make their efforts right.
Quote:You know how you can tell? Ask those who are being killed if they are morally okay with being killed.It doesn't matter, no one society kills wants to die. to the weak their deaths are always wrong. Even if the weak in this case is a Taliban or ISIS
Quote:I understand why you have to defend 'might makes right', because your religious texts are rife with examples of it perpetrated by your god.Again you guys are idiots if you think this. I simply asked you to provide one example in human history where might does not make right in society. It does not matter what the minority think they do not have the might to make things 'right.' You are confusing to objections to society's morality, and what society accepts as moral.
Example: in this society Homosexuality is accepted. In this society we have put our social might (laws and police) behind protecting homosexuality. Now there are those in this society who object to the life style. But do not have the 'might' to impose their will onto society. the Majority's might makes homosexuality right in society no matter what subsects of society think.
do you understand? Might make right for you, not just me.
Quote:I guess I have to give you some kudos for defending 'might makes right', even if Christians are on the wrong end of it, lest you be guilty of special pleading.Anyone who argues might does not make right does not understand history or society. At no point does a weaker culture's values impress themselves on a stronger cultures value if the strong culture does not want them