(May 30, 2017 at 7:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Oh, well then........all false memory must be false experiential and false consciousness?
Nope because you're equivocating with 'false memory'.
A 'false memory' is opposed to a 'true memory' in that it is a memory that represents something that didn't happen that you merely believe happened. The belief and false memory itself is very real. Being incorrect about something does not make that incorrect judgement an ureality. You're conflating falsehood with unreality and pretending like false memories are illusory when they're not they're real experiences of things that didn't really happen that you are deluded about. They're as real as experiences of memories about things that really did happen the only difference is you're deluded about the truth about it happening. You think it is an experience of something that happened when it's an experience of something that never happened. It's a delusion not an illusion and you're confusing a 'false memory' with an 'unreal memory'. False memories are as real experientially as true memories... it's merely that the former is delusional the latter is not. Delusions are not illusions.
Likewise... being deluded about the nature of how your consciousness works makes your judgements false but it doesn't make them unreal. You really are conscious and your consciousness is really happening. It's not an illusion and it's not non-existent. The whole of knowing anything to be true in external reality relies on the reality of consciousness. You can't use science to rule out the very thing you need to know anything scientific.
When your logic fails you just bury your head in the sand further.
Quote:Seeming to experience is the same as experiencing to an eliminative materialist, as well. They just don't think that this consciousness is what it seems to be.
And it's hilarious that they think that their consciously thinking that consciousness isn't real isn't real when they're really thinking it.
This whole thing is a confusion over the difference between a delusion and an illusion. You can be wrong about how your brain works and it doesn't make your concious experience 'unreal'. Just as you can be wrong about how a computer works but it doesn't make what's on the screen an 'illusion'. You're really seeing a computer screen. The analogy Dennett gives betrays his fundamental confusion over consciousness and why his book Consciousness Explained has been nicknamed Consciousness Ignored.