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How did the chemicals for life come together??..
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RE: How did the chemicals for life come together??..
(November 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm)solja247 Wrote:
Quote:He didn't know how evolution was nonrandom, but deemed himself to know enough to assert organisms were too complex to form through evolution. He says philosophy is superior to science because it allows him to assert what must be, but exhibit a total unawareness that science is the most productive field of philosophy there ever was. Sol has the Sol style, and Statler has the statler style.

Evolution and abiogenesis are two differnet things.

No, inheritance of molecular properties through molecular self replication has been a necessary part of abiogenesis long before the process culminated in a living cell. The survival of traits developed with each stage of abiogenesis was subject to selection and survival pressure. So abiogenesis was evolution. It may not have been biological evolution yet until the later stages of the process, but it was evolution.

(November 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm)solja247 Wrote: Evolution is not random. Mutations are random, Some of the beneficial random mutations can lead to becoming the dominant genes in the species (thus over a series of generations it becomes the dominant genes in X). Name one case where evolution is random?
I will name one which isnt.
There are flying insects on a particular island, for some reason the island has a lot more wind than ussual. The insects which fly around are swept out to sea. For some reason there is a minority of these flying insects which have lost their ability to use their wings (a mutation). These minority become the dominant, as they are able to survive. The insects became the dominant, not by chance, but because they were the strongest to survive.

So that destroys the "abiogenesis is too complex" argument, doesn't it? If each of the 5000 digit on a 5000 digit combination lock lights up when you get that digit right, it would not be very complex to get all 5000 digit right, would it? Only if the process is random, if you must randomly select all 5000 digits at once and are given no indication of how close you are unless you get all 5000 digits right, could there really exist an issue of whether it was too complex or unlikely to occur.

Also, it's rather silly of you to assert to me familiarity with something I had to tell you only 3 weeks ago:

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(October 15, 2010 at 6:23 pm)solja247 Wrote:
Quote:This isn't all chance.

How is it not? Evolution is a series of chances which have allowed animals to create a niche, or be on top of the food chain?

(October 15, 2010 at 7:46 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(October 15, 2010 at 6:23 pm)solja247 Wrote: How is it not? Evolution is a series of chances which have allowed animals to create a niche, or be on top of the food chain?

Mutation determines which traits arise. Mutation is by chance. Evolution is the systematic sorting out of which traits survive. Evolution is not by chance.
(November 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm)solja247 Wrote: Also, Science is not philosophy.

The fact that you fancy yourself to be well versed in philosophy, but mainly aspire towards those sections of art that make little houses of cards out of idle assertions, does not mean sciences, which does not care for untestable assertions, has not always been part of philosophy or is not the most vibrant and powerful part of philosophy now. The fact that some people in sections you like think science is not philsophy seem to stem from just how marginalized those card house assertions would seem if compared to the methodological progress that has been made in natural philsophy.
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RE: How did the chemicals for life come together??.. - by Anomalocaris - November 5, 2010 at 7:47 pm

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