(August 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(August 18, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In reference to the bolded:
Right, but I've repeatedly stated that the nazis/supremacists don't fall under this category, since they have already made it clear that they are racist.
You've also made it clear that you think we should look at the perspective of racists; you said so in the quote I linked.
Well then to clarify, I definitely did not mean what you think I meant. If someone already makes it clear that they are a racist (example: white supremacists, neo nazis), there is no more reason to look at their perspective. At that point, you already know what their perspective is: that a certain race is superior to another. If someone who is not one of those people says they are against removal of the statues, it is worth hearing their reasoning for it. And, if it is not a racist reason, try to understand their perspective rather than labeling them racist anyway. That's what I was saying.
Quote:(August 18, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As for the strawman, I honestly was not trying to do that. I feel like we are arguing because I refuse to call all these other people racist, but that's why I asked, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Perhaps you could link to the quote that made you think that, so we can be clear?
Otherwise, your "point" is truly a strawman.
I feel like this is the reason we are arguing because that's literally the only point I'm making here. I'm not saying the statues should stay up. I'm not saying the people who want them down don't have a good reason. I'm just saying that I'm not going to call someone a racist simply because they don't view the civil war as a war about slavery and thus don't think the statues should come down.
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