A contradiction in the liberal view of gender

[The Grand Nudger]

If you have a dick, no matter how girly you feel, even to the point of lopping off your dick, will make others see you that way.

No matter how many times I read that it doesn't make sense.

I think you're trying to say that if someone acts girly people won't see them as a girl if they have a dick.

Some people, no matter what you do or how you identify, [i]or what you were born as in some sexual sense -will see you as x. Even if you were born a guy they might still see you as, meaningfully, female.  Perhaps it doesn't "make sense" to you because you're one of those people with "limited" minds.  

Not direct, word specific statements, just ideologies. I'm trying to put into words the components of a paradigm that others have, but what I'm saying is it's not a super specific, word for word contradiction I'm trying to get at. It's what I perceive as a contradictory ideology. 

-and your perception in this is wrong.

It's a bit different for girls, I guess. I frequently ignore stereotypical feminine behaviors that don't suit my preferences/lifestyle and I've never observed anyone judging me for it. I don't think it's impossible for this to be the case.

Perhaps that has something to do with there being popular support for gender nonconformity in females the past 50 years?  Nevertheless, if you trully felt "like a man" in some meaningful trans sense.......I think you'd find the pushback, soon enough.

Regardless, that's the contradiction. It's behaving against your ideology because of how society will treat you for it. I try to act upon my ideologies in my day to day life, so I consider it contradictory to believe something should be one way but not actually live that way.

No, shadow, lol, it's not "the contradiction" - there's only one way to explain this to you and I've already done so.

No, a renewable energy baron. Don't insult me by suggesting I have anything but disdain for fossil fuels. 
In all seriousness, though, I'm only halfway done my degree so I haven't taken ethics yet. Don't worry, I don't think they give you a degree without it.

Here's to hoping.  

Who does?

Society-at-large, which is why it;s an issue for sociologists in the broad view, pyschologists in the individual view, and ethicists in the moral view.  

I meant that as in: I don't really think it really makes a difference what gender someone is either way, and I'd try to treat someone the same way regardless of what gender they are or want to be treated as.

Would that include imagining that theres some contradiction between being a male, sexually, and wanting to be treated as a male, as a matter of gender?  Would you treat me the same as you treat a girl? OFC not. We incredibly capable of treating people as our traditional gender roles define...but as soon as something deviates we start looking for "contradictions".

The "liberal view" of these gender constructs is that they exist - and that they are arbitrary - further, that regardless of which -if any- of these gender constructs a person chooses to identify as - they have every right to do so and you have an ehtical compulsion to afford them that dignity. Pretty easy stuff, right?