RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 11:42 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 11:54 pm by Transcended Dimensions.)
Other Person's Response: If you cannot see anything good or bad besides feeling good and feeling bad, then you might have a mental disability that prevents you from understanding values that go beyond our emotional states. I don't think there is anything wrong with those miserable geniuses who claimed good value in their lives and neither do I think they are delusional. I think there is something wrong with you.
My Reply: If the inner light can take on a different form besides euphoria, then I can see how there can be another form of good value in our lives. But if that isn't the case, then I just don't understand. They would just be living by words alone. I just don't see that as being any real good and beautiful life to live or to be an artist regardless of what goals you achieve and regardless of anything else. I mean, I do understand the whole idea of making choices. For example, I still understand the idea of making the choice to save the life of a loved one or to cease harm to someone regardless of what emotional state you are in. During my worst miserable moments, I still have made the choice to get the help I needed.
So, I do understand such choices. But what I do not understand is this idea that your life can have real good value during moments where you don't feel positive emotions and this idea that your life can have real bad value during moments where you don't feel negative emotions. But just so you know, even my own mother thinks there is something wrong with the idea of a miserable artist still having good value and beauty in his life. Especially ones who are suicidal. Suicidal depression and misery are claimed to be a source of inspiration for works of art and I, as well as my mother, see something wrong with this. Therefore, there really has to be something wrong with this whole value system because I just don't think there can be any real good value and beauty in the life of such an artist.
Other Person's Response: Your life is meaningless. If your only goal is to be in sort of blissful mental realm which you call the realm of the light and you don't adhere your life to any other values, then that is not much of a life at all.
My Reply: As long as I am in the worst miserable state of my life due to an emotional trauma, then I am in the realm of the darkness, so to speak. I need to be in the realm of the light and the only way that can happen is if I am fully recovered from such horrible moments. I actually disagree with your comment. I think the only way to a truly meaningful life is through positive emotions. Values based upon the thinking cortex are what we call the moral values while values based upon the emotional part of the brain are what we call the "wild values." Our thinking cortex is the modern part of our brain while the emotional part is the primitive and wild area of the brain. However, I think we as human beings have our true values rooted in our wild nature and that we have been mislead this whole entire time. Imagine a wild animal that was miserable.
It could not live by its wild, hedonistic nature since it could not feel any positive emotions. From there, this wild animal has to instead adhere its life to values that are futile. These are values that simply don't give this animal any real value in its life. This animal needs to fully recover from its miserable state so that it can obtain the true good value it needs in its life which would be through its positive emotions. The animal was meant for its wild, hedonistic nature and was not meant for these other empty values. With all of this being said, I am like the wild animal or the wild, exotic plant that needs to be in its proper environment (a hedonistic environment, in my case) where it can grow and thrive. I simply do not belong with a value system that is meaningless to me. That would be an environment where I would wither and fail.
My Reply: If the inner light can take on a different form besides euphoria, then I can see how there can be another form of good value in our lives. But if that isn't the case, then I just don't understand. They would just be living by words alone. I just don't see that as being any real good and beautiful life to live or to be an artist regardless of what goals you achieve and regardless of anything else. I mean, I do understand the whole idea of making choices. For example, I still understand the idea of making the choice to save the life of a loved one or to cease harm to someone regardless of what emotional state you are in. During my worst miserable moments, I still have made the choice to get the help I needed.
So, I do understand such choices. But what I do not understand is this idea that your life can have real good value during moments where you don't feel positive emotions and this idea that your life can have real bad value during moments where you don't feel negative emotions. But just so you know, even my own mother thinks there is something wrong with the idea of a miserable artist still having good value and beauty in his life. Especially ones who are suicidal. Suicidal depression and misery are claimed to be a source of inspiration for works of art and I, as well as my mother, see something wrong with this. Therefore, there really has to be something wrong with this whole value system because I just don't think there can be any real good value and beauty in the life of such an artist.
Other Person's Response: Your life is meaningless. If your only goal is to be in sort of blissful mental realm which you call the realm of the light and you don't adhere your life to any other values, then that is not much of a life at all.
My Reply: As long as I am in the worst miserable state of my life due to an emotional trauma, then I am in the realm of the darkness, so to speak. I need to be in the realm of the light and the only way that can happen is if I am fully recovered from such horrible moments. I actually disagree with your comment. I think the only way to a truly meaningful life is through positive emotions. Values based upon the thinking cortex are what we call the moral values while values based upon the emotional part of the brain are what we call the "wild values." Our thinking cortex is the modern part of our brain while the emotional part is the primitive and wild area of the brain. However, I think we as human beings have our true values rooted in our wild nature and that we have been mislead this whole entire time. Imagine a wild animal that was miserable.
It could not live by its wild, hedonistic nature since it could not feel any positive emotions. From there, this wild animal has to instead adhere its life to values that are futile. These are values that simply don't give this animal any real value in its life. This animal needs to fully recover from its miserable state so that it can obtain the true good value it needs in its life which would be through its positive emotions. The animal was meant for its wild, hedonistic nature and was not meant for these other empty values. With all of this being said, I am like the wild animal or the wild, exotic plant that needs to be in its proper environment (a hedonistic environment, in my case) where it can grow and thrive. I simply do not belong with a value system that is meaningless to me. That would be an environment where I would wither and fail.
