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The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
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RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
@Rob
People use it as an alternative form of saying "moral realism is true".  

Quote:We could come up with a very specific definition of what morality measures, and thus develop an objective standard, but what is the point? 
That would be sufficient. The point is to determine what objective moral statements can be made..and what makes such a statement true.

Quote:It only applies (abstractly, and without effect) to people who subscribe to that particular definition. 
Objective moral statements apply to any moral agent that fits the conditions of the statement regardless of their subscription or agreement, can be concrete, and more often than not have some effect. 

Quote:We'd likely have an objective standard for each person.
That approaches the very antithesis of objectivity and moral realism.  Though space to consider the relevant or modifying specifics of a particular agent exists (diminished capacity, for example) the schema itself cannot rely on an individualist approach to the basic facts from which moral assessments are made.  

(May 1, 2018 at 2:59 pm)henryp Wrote: God creates existence.  Makes the rules for existence.  We're existing in the context of existence.  

That's how I'd pitch the idea anyways.

That's subjective moral arbitrarity, not moral objectivism.
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RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2018 at 3:03 pm

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