The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God

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@Hammy: I agree, adding "and God" on the end makes the proposition less likely, especially since it has nothing to do with it. Religious people sometimes however define morality just in terms of god's scorecard, see below. In such a case, the scorer is then required. I was pointing out that they're trying to defend something that makes no sense in the first place, so yeah, adding a huge bum splat of a God and all the nonsense that brings along with it just makes it worse.

@Whoever: The idea that there are any sort of "moral truths" out there still makes no sense to me. Morality is so utterly poorly defined that not even the goals of it are agreed on. You'd have to first narrow it down to some particular subset of morality, or else saying true things about it is just impossible.

3) Morality is a rule governing how reality functions, like the (apparent) laws of nature.

If this is the case, then there should be some way of demonstrating what exactly this law does. As it stands, it doesn't appear to do anything.

I don't think there's an objective morality, but I'd guess this is the one religious folks are thinking of.  And the idea is that it 'does something' on the other plane of existence where spirits and Gods and heaven and all that jazz exist.

Another angle, is that it's like the 'game of existence.'  And somebody wrote the rules how to play.  If you're playing monopoly, and your little dog token is on Boardwalk, and you roll a 3, you can't eat a treasure chest card.  You can, I suppose, but it's objectively wrong in the context of monopoly.  Or at least it can be inferred to be against the rules if not specifically stated.

God creates existence.  Makes the rules for existence.  We're existing in the context of existence.  

That's how I'd pitch the idea anyways.

Yeah, I was thinking along those lines. God could be using it as a system in his scoring card. Then god does stuff to you after you die based on your score. Even then, the rule itself isn't doing anything, and has no impact whatsoever until you die.

Maybe there is an actual law of morality in heaven that physically stops people doing bad things to each other.