(May 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm)CDF47 Wrote:(May 10, 2018 at 9:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: The funny thing is that whatever possible apparent designer there can be evidence of the one type of designer that there definitely isn't any evidence of is a designer 'outside the universe' which is precisely the kind of designer that is being claimed. An unapparent designer cannot be apparent just as there can be no evidence of anything that can't be evident to an observer in the natural world.
Since the universe is fine-tuned and had a beginning the Designer/Creator transcends the universe/space/time.
So basically everything needs a cause except for a supernatural deity because you say so?