(January 2, 2019 at 5:05 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:(January 2, 2019 at 3:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Too bad for you, (and your stupid dictionaries) the link I posted demonstrates your nonsense to be false.
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A plot of the Lorenz attractor for values r = 28, σ = 10, b = 8/3
A double-rod pendulum animation showing chaotic behavior. Starting the pendulum from a slightly different initial condition would result in a completely different trajectory. The double-rod pendulum is one of the simplest dynamical systems with chaotic solutions.
Chaos theory is a branch of mathematics focusing on the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. "Chaos" is an interdisciplinary theory stating that within the apparent randomness of chaotic complex systems, there are underlying patterns, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals, self-organization, and reliance on programming at the initial point known as sensitive dependence on initial conditions. The butterfly effect describes how a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state, e.g. a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can cause a hurricane in Texas.
Small differences in initial conditions, such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation, yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems, rendering long-term prediction of their behavior impossible in general. This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved. In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable. This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos. The theory was summarized by Edward Lorenz as:
Chaotic behavior exists in many natural systems, such as weather and climate.[8][9] It also occurs spontaneously in some systems with artificial components, such as road traffic.[10] This behavior can be studied through analysis of a chaotic mathematical model, or through analytical techniques such as recurrence plots and Poincaré maps. Chaos theory has applications in several disciplines, including meteorology, anthropology, sociology, physics,[13] environmental science, computer science, engineering, economics, biology, ecology, and philosophy. The theory formed the basis for such fields of study as complex dynamical systems, edge of chaos theory, and self-assembly processes.
When you grow up, and get all big, and start actually reading some real books, besides your dictionaries, you will find out a lot.
Especially : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-assembly
"Self-assembly is a process in which a disordered system of pre-existing components forms an organized structure or pattern as a consequence of specific, local interactions among the components themselves, without external direction. When the constitutive components are molecules, the process is termed molecular self-assembly.
NC-AFM imaging of the molecular self-assembly process of 2-aminoterephthalic acid molecules on calcite(104).[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-assembly#cite_note-3][3]
Self-assembly can be classified as either static or dynamic. In static self-assembly, the ordered state forms as a system approaches equilibrium, reducing its free energy. However, in dynamic self-assembly, patterns of pre-existing components organized by specific local interactions are not commonly described as "self-assembled" by scientists in the associated disciplines. These structures are better described as "self-organized", although these terms are often used interchangeably.
- No strawman here. You asserted something as being a "well-known belief" in science with something that isn't universally agreed upon by scientists. You can't assert it as being "well-known" universally when it isn't or you would be telling scientists what they must think. We think for ourselves based on observations. For one who claims to be a scientist, you should know that.
- There was no fallacy. He said either something is (designed) or it isn't (not designed). The second part of his statement was subjective, as indicted by "I consider."
- Chaos theory is one of many theories that attempt to explain things. In and of itself, it's nothing more than what it claims to be. For someone who was garbling about "no complexity" it would seem as if you would be someone who would stray away from the idea of chaos theory.
- Nothing you posted that was factual indicated anything I said (actually the dictionary and a science site) refuted anything I said. You're just looking at a completely different category which focuses more on cause and effect. Entropy focuses more on how those things change. You can actually apply the two together without any problem whatsoever.
If the ripple causes a system to weaken in its usefulness, then it has experienced entropy. Yet, we still have the butterfly effect that set it in motion. You can also have that ripple cause something to increase kinetically, but once that cause is removed, entropy affects that system.
Example: A man (or woman) plugs in a treadmill. Entropy occurs at the source of the energy, since it has to be sent to the treadmill to make it run. The energy causes the treadmill's belt to move, but as soon as you turn it off or unplug it, or even while you're using it, the energy is experiencing entropy. Which is why to keep that treadmill running, you need a continuous flow of it. During this whole process, your electric meter is running, and the collection of data will at some point trigger a person or computer in another system, which of course requires energy so as to send that bill to you. The postman exerts energy to walk to your door and drop off that bill. At some point they will need to replenish that energy by eating as to have more usable energy. That person will also have to rest at some point, during which time the body will go into a "repair mode" that is optimal to that when they are awake. On and on and on and on...
Chaos Theory is well-known. You obviously are no scientist, as you never even heard of it.
I never said there was "no complexity" ... liar. I said in THIS context it is undefined.
You really should learn to read, some day.
You are in no position to teach anyone anything.
Being a pompous windbag in no way compensates for your obvious ignorance.
As usual, you actually do not address ANY of what is presented.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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