New Iowa Law Restricts Abortion To Before Most Women Know They're Pregnant

[Rev. Rye]

I've tried using those same arguments in this thread, but I honestly am not convinced Roadrunner even cares about the negative consequences of making abortion illegal. If "pro-lifers" did, they probably wouldn't be pro-lifers.

And that your reasoning leads you to that conclusion is astounding. Frankly it’s not about not caring about the mother in need. It’s that purposefully taking a life for the reasons that are often given is wrong and takes priority over what poor choices a person may make.

And if we’re only concerned about that, it appears to be a deadlock: the quality of life of the mother vs. the life of the insensate fetus inside her (since, yes, by the time the part of the brain that can actually perceive is actually formed, abortions become extremely rare) if we put them on equal footing.

Unfortunately, such a simplistic take on morality (especially if one attaches the law to it, like the law in the OP does) cannot actually be tenable in itself. Do you remember Prohibition? In 1919, Congress passed the Vollstead Act, And the 18th Amendment to the Constitution, making alcohol illegal. Judging by the simple metrics you have been espousing throughout this thread, this would seem a good idea; a drug that causes the deaths of thousands of people per year and ruins the quality of life of millions. Did it work? Hell, no! People still drank, crime skyrocketed, and organized crime gained a strong foothold in America that hasn’t left since. So, naturally, they passed the 21st Amendment to repeal the 18th and alcohol was legal again, and things were relatively back to normal (except, of course, for the Great Depression that started four years prior.)

This is why working solely on right or wrong WITHOUT stopping to consider the real-world consequences is bad. Here's a dramatization of the problems inherent in such a worldview:



Also, eventually, in situations like this, ethics and morality eventually end up boiling down to a question of “how dare you think of your selfish needs when you could be thinking of MY selfish needs?” And nothing gets resolved, unless you decide to choose a side, whether it’s the prospective mother whose life could be thrown out of balance by the bun in her oven (by anything from financial issues to the simple fact that sometimes, pregnancy causes mental health issues that pretty much force her to kill herself or the baby), or that little bun in her oven, the little insensate bun that is very likely to live a hard life because someone like you told her mother that he had to be born into a world where he wasn’t even wanted.

And before you say “adoption,” parents looking to adopt tend to want healthy, preferably white, babies. A lot of the time, they aren’t. And even if they are, just look at David Berkowitz’s backstory. The revelation that his birth mother didn’t want him ended up being the big thing that ended up turning him into Son of Sam, so, yes, that’s liable to backfire.