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God As Grounding Cause
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RE: God As Grounding Cause
(May 24, 2018 at 2:15 am)robvalue Wrote:
(May 24, 2018 at 2:11 am)SaStrike Wrote: Datc, nice attempt, much better argument than from most theists I've seen here.

I respect that he admits that we can learn nothing about this cause. Trying to call the cause "God" is a shifty play though (I'm not sure if he's doing this or not) as it tries to sneak in sentience and grandeur without justification.

I'll add to my questions:

Why can't there be ten eternal things, with one/all of them causing everything else?

I don't agree with what he posted. I just think he is at least can be reasoned with. Also there are some jumps in reasoning that aren't explained. For example:

Dresser ← Carpenter ← X ← F 

Here he assumes all things are created or change in a radial or linear matter. It unfortunately isn't that simple as things could be cyclic or looping, as we note with the rain cycle.  There is just too much to consider, it can be concluded we are very very far away from discovering if or how the universe was created or started or whatever term is preferred. (We might just be chasing after nothing until extinction though lol).
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God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 23, 2018 at 9:59 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 23, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Minimalist - May 23, 2018 at 10:07 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by chimp3 - May 23, 2018 at 10:09 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by vulcanlogician - May 23, 2018 at 10:19 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SteveII - May 24, 2018 at 6:42 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by pocaracas - May 25, 2018 at 5:04 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SteveII - May 25, 2018 at 6:32 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 6:43 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SteveII - May 25, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 12:40 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by pocaracas - May 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by pocaracas - May 25, 2018 at 6:44 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 5:43 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Edwardo Piet - May 25, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Anomalocaris - May 23, 2018 at 11:01 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Fireball - May 23, 2018 at 11:14 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 2:00 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by ignoramus - May 24, 2018 at 2:50 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Fake Messiah - May 24, 2018 at 3:06 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 3:36 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 11:42 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 12:32 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Neo-Scholastic - May 24, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SaStrike - May 24, 2018 at 2:11 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 2:15 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SaStrike - May 24, 2018 at 4:34 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Anomalocaris - May 24, 2018 at 2:32 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by ignoramus - May 24, 2018 at 3:50 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 4:05 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by vulcanlogician - May 24, 2018 at 4:22 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 4:35 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 24, 2018 at 4:10 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:19 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 6:45 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 7:53 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 12:01 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 25, 2018 at 12:13 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 12:23 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 25, 2018 at 12:59 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 12:14 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 12:26 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 12:22 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 12:59 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 1:01 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 5:33 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by I_am_not_mafia - May 25, 2018 at 5:39 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 5:44 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by ohreally - May 25, 2018 at 11:36 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Foxaèr - May 25, 2018 at 12:39 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 6:32 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 6:58 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 7:52 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Aegon - May 26, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by I_am_not_mafia - May 26, 2018 at 10:29 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 27, 2018 at 3:30 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Jehanne - May 27, 2018 at 1:14 pm

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