(May 24, 2018 at 2:15 am)robvalue Wrote:(May 24, 2018 at 2:11 am)SaStrike Wrote: Datc, nice attempt, much better argument than from most theists I've seen here.
I respect that he admits that we can learn nothing about this cause. Trying to call the cause "God" is a shifty play though (I'm not sure if he's doing this or not) as it tries to sneak in sentience and grandeur without justification.
I'll add to my questions:
Why can't there be ten eternal things, with one/all of them causing everything else?
I don't agree with what he posted. I just think he is at least can be reasoned with. Also there are some jumps in reasoning that aren't explained. For example:
Dresser ← Carpenter ← X ← F
Here he assumes all things are created or change in a radial or linear matter. It unfortunately isn't that simple as things could be cyclic or looping, as we note with the rain cycle. There is just too much to consider, it can be concluded we are very very far away from discovering if or how the universe was created or started or whatever term is preferred. (We might just be chasing after nothing until extinction though lol).