RE: God As Grounding Cause
May 25, 2018 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 12:48 pm by Angrboda.)
(May 25, 2018 at 10:45 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 6:43 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Here, with an added comment from Grandizer here.
And I replied here
I don't think either your or Craig's talk disarm the objection to Ghazali's argument. Either God exists timelessly or he does not. There is no boundary line where he is both. So God creating doesn't in some magical way insert time into a timeless state. As such, Ghazali's argument still fails. (In particular, you draw the following, "God existed prior to creation with the potential for creation," out of thin air. If I accept this whole theory of timeless apart from creation, temporally with creation, it still doesn't eliminate the objection. Moreover, I think it simply points to the incoherence of the implications of Craig and your ideas about God and time.) At the very least, Ghazali's argument becomes a matter of speculation, disarming its potential as an argument for the necessity of a personal God being the only interpretation of a first cause.