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God As Grounding Cause
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RE: God As Grounding Cause
(May 25, 2018 at 10:45 am)SteveII Wrote:
(May 25, 2018 at 6:43 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Here, with an added comment from Grandizer here.

And I replied here

I don't think either your or Craig's talk disarm the objection to Ghazali's argument. Either God exists timelessly or he does not. There is no boundary line where he is both. So God creating doesn't in some magical way insert time into a timeless state. As such, Ghazali's argument still fails. (In particular, you draw the following, "God existed prior to creation with the potential for creation," out of thin air. If I accept this whole theory of timeless apart from creation, temporally with creation, it still doesn't eliminate the objection. Moreover, I think it simply points to the incoherence of the implications of Craig and your ideas about God and time.) At the very least, Ghazali's argument becomes a matter of speculation, disarming its potential as an argument for the necessity of a personal God being the only interpretation of a first cause.
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God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 23, 2018 at 9:59 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 23, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Minimalist - May 23, 2018 at 10:07 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by chimp3 - May 23, 2018 at 10:09 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by vulcanlogician - May 23, 2018 at 10:19 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SteveII - May 24, 2018 at 6:42 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by pocaracas - May 25, 2018 at 5:04 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SteveII - May 25, 2018 at 6:32 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 6:43 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SteveII - May 25, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 12:40 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by pocaracas - May 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by pocaracas - May 25, 2018 at 6:44 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 5:43 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Edwardo Piet - May 25, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Anomalocaris - May 23, 2018 at 11:01 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Fireball - May 23, 2018 at 11:14 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 2:00 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by ignoramus - May 24, 2018 at 2:50 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Fake Messiah - May 24, 2018 at 3:06 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 3:36 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 11:42 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 12:32 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Neo-Scholastic - May 24, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SaStrike - May 24, 2018 at 2:11 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 2:15 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by SaStrike - May 24, 2018 at 4:34 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Anomalocaris - May 24, 2018 at 2:32 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by ignoramus - May 24, 2018 at 3:50 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 4:05 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by vulcanlogician - May 24, 2018 at 4:22 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 4:35 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 24, 2018 at 4:10 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 24, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:19 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 6:45 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 24, 2018 at 7:53 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 12:01 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 25, 2018 at 12:13 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 12:23 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by datc - May 25, 2018 at 12:59 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 12:14 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 12:26 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 12:22 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 12:59 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 1:01 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 5:33 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by I_am_not_mafia - May 25, 2018 at 5:39 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 25, 2018 at 5:44 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by ohreally - May 25, 2018 at 11:36 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Foxaèr - May 25, 2018 at 12:39 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 6:32 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by RoadRunner79 - May 25, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by The Grand Nudger - May 25, 2018 at 6:58 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 7:52 pm
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Aegon - May 26, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by I_am_not_mafia - May 26, 2018 at 10:29 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by robvalue - May 27, 2018 at 3:30 am
RE: God As Grounding Cause - by Jehanne - May 27, 2018 at 1:14 pm

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