The moral argument, for atheism!

[Mystic]

That's exactly the proper answer, it's the rational one, and the truth, and God doesn't force people acceptance of the proof while they are averse to it. If they hate it, they hate it, he is not going to force them to accept it nor force a person to seriousness in the sacred journey or reverence in a how a holy book should be approached.

Hey, remember that time I asked you for external evidence for your god, and you couldn’t present any? And, then I explained to you how using the Quran to prove the claims of the Quran is begging the question, and instead of addressing the fallacy in your argument, you got pissed off and insulted me?  You wanna try again?  Where’s your external corroborating evidence? Or put another way, why should I believe this crap is true?

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God created us, and given us eyes to perceive this world and the next.  The eyes that sees the next world,  are not as simple as the eyes that perceive this world.  It's perception is directly related to morality and goodness and love. The sight power is directly related to love.

The Quran is just at the end words. Words point to concepts, concepts can lead to truth.  God designed the book so that it facilitates and nourishes those who reflect and sincerely search the truth, he facilitates guidance for them at all levels. Now this would mean at all levels, there is more knowledge to be had of the Quran. The Quran then never ceases to guide and increase in knowledge.

It happens to be that the knowledge from the book being mixed with no falsehood can lead to visions of certainty of a higher kind.

Now if I said this is true because Quran said so it would be circular.

However, if I can show Quran indeed iterates knowledge and guidance and proofs at all levels of intellects, and guides endlessly, I would say, a book that guides humans with regards to all guidance needed by them, is no small thing.

In fact, humans, they write things, at it ends at a certain point. That is it's amazements come to an end.  Quran on the other hand if you experience it, it's amazements and wonders increase the more you recite it, it opens doors to itself otherwise locked.

It also dispels the sorcery cast upon it and proves the existence of sorcery that is an enemy of Mohammad and his family.

All I can do in this regard is iterate some reflections over Quran to prove it is a guidance at a very high level.  And then over time iterate again, a higher level of it. And then again, a much higher level of insights to it, building upon the former.

Maybe give me time and you will see what I'm talking about. He made the Quran superior in knowledge and guidance, the knowledge and guidance can be experienced as a human.

We can even perceive the door of light before walking it, and it proves it.

There is other arguments in the form:

God is capable of revealing a proof for guidance.
God would reveal a proof for guidance.
There is no physical miracle today as proof of guidance.
Therefore the miracle and proof of guidance must be the reasoning and guidance in a recitation from God.
There is only one book that heavily emphasizes on this argument.
Therefore that book is true.


But you don't accept God to begin with. So you don't understand it's paradigm the Quran works with.

You don't think words can have wonders and make you experience wonders.

But literature is powerful.  And God being the Creator, knows how to amaze us and make us realize a book is from him.

Of course, as it is a guidance, it must ultimately robustly be guiding and thorough in guidance, but to unlocks it's hidden treasures, you have to approach the family of the reminder.

I will try to show that coupled with their words, and coupled with reflection, Quran is a much higher book then people estimate it to be. I can't show it's full degree, all I can do is show ways of reflection that will perhaps inspire you to recite the book with a higher level of reverence and reflection that might manifest the wonders to you through the guide of our time.