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The moral argument, for atheism!
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
June 29, 2018 at 6:52 pm (This post was last modified: June 29, 2018 at 6:54 pm by Mr.wizard.)
(June 29, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Kit Wrote:
(June 29, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: It doesn't really follow in my opinion, because if God is the source of morality and he must be morally good then how can you place moral obligations on that god in premise #2, aren't all of his moral decisions objectively good as you established in premise #1. Also if that god is the source of morality what morality are you using to form your moral judgments?

So you're completely ignoring the conclusion that ties it all together?

  

 Premise 2 is in conflict with premise 1, therefore the conclusion couldn't possibly tie it together.
(June 29, 2018 at 6:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(June 29, 2018 at 6:45 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Yes but that doesn't really have anything to do do with the scenario you set up. You said god is the source of morality and he must be good, if that was a true statement how could you possibly question his morality?

In my major premise, I said "If..." and not "Since..."

Makes no difference
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The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 7:33 pm
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 30, 2018 at 8:54 am
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