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The moral argument, for atheism!
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 7:07 pm)Kit Wrote:
(June 29, 2018 at 7:02 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: How, show me in premise #1 where it does not say that god is the source of morality and must be good?

How is that related to your objection?

Premise one: God is morally good.
Premise two: A moral god must share with his creation in such a provable way the morality they are to abide by.
Conclusion: Such a revelation as in premise two has never happened; thus god is not real.

It's not rocket science.

Because god is established as the source of morality and must be good. So any moral decision god makes must be good. So then how in premise 2 can you say god must share with his creation to be morally good? See you changed the wording in premise #1 by leaving out the part about god being the source of morality and changed to God is morally good. It's a totally different ballgame if God is following a set of moral laws rather than creating them.
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The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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