The moral argument, for atheism!

[Mr.wizard]

I don't believe in that being either, we are talking about the proof that you set up. If the being was the source of morality, then that being determines what is moral, you also said that being must be good, so whatever moral decision that being makes , must be good. Also if that being is the source of morality then you get your morality from that being.

This is why RoadRunner keeps asking you "based on what?".

It's easy to see why some individuals feel the need to fly airplanes into buildings.

Here are my points:

1)  God may exist but be a perfectly Evil being.

2)  If God did exist and yet commanded me to do something that I knew was immoral, I would surely think that God was either "testing" me or simply a bit of a cosmic joker, or, was an "evil god".

3)  If God exists and is the source of all moral truth, then God must have some moral obligations even if He is the source of all moral truth.  How could I claim to be ethical and yet not practice ethics, ever?

4)  To say that God is the source or morality and yet "exempt" from His own moral truths (even though he is the source of those truths), is to say that God can impose upon Us standards that he need not impose upon himself.  In essence, this allows Us to behave "moral morally" than God.

5)  If God exists and is the source of all moral truths, then it follows that must reveal those truths to Us, His Creation in a clear and unambiguous way.  How could He not be obligated to?  It would be like me knowing about an upcoming terrorist attack and choosing not to report it!

1) Yes who cares, the point is how would you be able to tell if everything you know about morality comes from god and must be good.

2) How could you know something to be immoral, if your morality comes from god and must be good, as you have set it up in your proof. You are saying that god is the source of morality and then saying you are using your own moral standards to judge him.

3) If God is the source of morality then yes he must follow his own morals, which won't be too hard if he is deciding what is moral. The obligation is something you are placing on the god, not something that the god himself has deemed to be moral or immoral.

4) Did not say that, not even close.........The point is that god gets to make up what is moral truth because again he is the source of morality. 


5)  It doesn't follow because if god is the one deciding moral truths then deciding "to not reveal himself" is a moral truth, by your own criteria.