The moral argument, for atheism!

[Mystic]

LadyForCamus, I never once argued that Quran is true because Quran says so. I never did.  Re-read what I stated as I'm not going to re-explain again and again. Quran being endless knowledge cannot be known simply because it states that.  Any one can write a book with that claim.

As I said I can show you some ways reflections unlock doors of it to other levels of the Quran and show you to degrees of how layered it is.   Reason and Logic precede the Quran, and it's what connects the verses, and it's what Quran is addressed to.

If I can show you how to replace one level of knowledge with an entire new level and Quran will continuously facilitate this process, then, you will see the Quran as to what it does. The Quran I underestimated in the past, disbelieved in it for five years, I know of the critical approaches to it, and I know of the neutral reading of it and I know of the belief type recitation. I been through all three.

So, what you’re saying is that if you read the Quran a certain way, and reflect properly on its contents for long enough, it will give me knowledge and proofs about what it says about Allah?

This wasn’t a rhetorical question, MK.  And, the fact that you chose not to answer it leads me to suspect that perhaps you’re more self-aware of the fatal flaw in your argument than you’ve lead us to believe up to this point.

“Quran is true because Quran says so” - And - “Quran is true because when I read it in a special way, its magic tells me how true it is.”

— are exactly the same statement. In the latter, you’re simply adding another unsupported assertion; “cuz the book is magical”, as a placeholder for the external evidence that you don’t have. You are still attempting to use the book to prove the truth of the book, which unfortunately for your argument, is still question begging. “Cuz magic”, is not an escape hatch, and it doesn’t get you out of your fallacy.

But, I have a funny feeling you know that already.

They are not the same statement if you understand the nature of miracles and reasoning to attest to them.