RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 4:59 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2019 at 5:00 pm by Belacqua.)
(March 21, 2019 at 9:46 am)Jehanne Wrote:(March 21, 2019 at 7:54 am)Belaqua Wrote: That's reasonable. I assume that experts are experts because they have studied the field and don't make up their minds lightly. They have solid justifications for their conclusions.
So for example, if all the experts in a given field (say, biology) apply the same standards they are likely to reach agreement. In biology, the standards would probably be the usual scientific ones: empirical evidence which is intersubjectively repeatable and quantifiable.
Now suppose you wanted to apply the same standards to religious claims. Is this appropriate? Experts in the field of philosophy, particularly metaphysics, say it is not. Because since the time of Plato God has been conceived of and argued about as a non-material, even a noetic, thingy. These experts hold that God, if such a thing exists, is not detectable or researchable by scientific standards. And there are elaborate arguments to that effect.
If someone (say, Mr. Wizard) wanted to argue that only scientific standards should apply to questions about God, he would find that the experts disagree with him. Then if he were serious about proving his point, he would have to show that his standards of judgment are the best ones. He would have to meet some burden of proof to show that the way he is judging is a good way.
Most philosophers are atheistic:
The PhilPapers Surveys
That's right. On the other hand, like Camus, they know what the concept of God -- the God of the philosophers -- would be like if it existed. That's all I'm saying.
(March 21, 2019 at 10:15 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Disbelief doesn't have to be justified.this is just another attempt to shift the burden of proof. That burden belongs to the side that claims to have positive proof of something. If you can't bear it don't shift it.
If you claim "your argument is unpersuasive" you should have reasons, and you should give them.