RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 7:28 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2019 at 7:53 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(March 21, 2019 at 6:17 pm)Belaqua Wrote:(March 21, 2019 at 6:07 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Even if I give you that argument, right down to the contingency of the universe on the prime mover, that still would only be an argument for a prime mover, do you understand?
That's right. I just said that. I understand it.
A Prime Mover is a Prime Mover, and if a Christian wants to argue for more attributes, he needs to make separate arguments.
So then you admit these arguments are not arguments for the judeochristian tri-omni god? So...what good are they then? What do they tell us about the origins of the universe? What meaningful thing do they tell us about any god?
Quote:What is your definition of god, Belaqua?
Quote:I don't have one, particularly. I am working on several different ones.
Then there is the apophatic idea of God, which makes the lack of our ability to define God something important in our understanding. That's an interesting train of thought.
I might actually happen to agree with you on that one.
Quote:I'm not avoiding anything, and I'm not lying. And it's not fair of you to accuse me.
Well, frankly, it’s not to hard to suspect as much when I ask you something multiple times and you refuse to give me a straight answer.
Quote:You don't like my answers, that's all.
You haven’t answered anything. I’m still waiting to hear what this reliable method of investigating god-claims is, and how you know it’s reliable. As I said in my last post, logical arguments rely on assumptions about the observable universe; empirical data you said we couldn’t use to investigate god. Are you going to comment on that point, or...? Also, I’ll ask again, why don’t you find logical arguments for god persuasive?
Quote:You said very clearly that only science-type evidence is evidence. If that's what you think, that's your metaphysical commitment.
What others types of evidence besides empirical evidence is there, and why do you think it’s quality and reliability are on par with scientific evidence, in terms of accurately reflecting reality? Can you demonstrate as much? If you can, I’ll eat my left shoe.
Quote:Also please note that you have left two of my questions unanswered. If you're going to accuse me of avoiding things, you shouldn't also do the same.
If I missed something, I apologize. Point to me to my oversight and I’ll do my best to give you an honest answer.
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Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.