No reason justifies disbelief.

[Belacqua]

By reality, I mean, that which is real.

For the third time, there is no secret magical way. We get ideas about what is real by thinking.

For the second time, we only know things through thinking -- memory, interpretation, plugging new data into existing theories. 

Some of the things we think can be given greater credence through empirical evidence and some of it can't. The former is science and the latter is metaphysics, generally speaking. 

Are these reliable? The former is sometimes reliable, if it isn't funded by Monsanto.

The latter may be less reliable, though people tend to form a consensus. 

As I've said many times, I remain skeptical and withhold certainty about metaphysical claims. That's why I try to look at alternatives. 

Some people, though, are very sure that their unprovable metaphysical claims are true. For example, someone who said that science is the only way to know reality, would be sure of her metaphysical claim. Because  there is no scientific way to prove that only science tells about reality, it is metaphysical thinking to believe that. So you are certain of your metaphysics, while I remain skeptical. 

As for your question about which other forums I look at, I'll answer even though you have ignored my similar questions to you. I look at two blogs run by theist philosophers. One is a personal blog and one is more like this one, only dedicated to philosophical questions. I seldom post on those because the level of discussion is very high.

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All you seem to do is quote some other 'cleverer person than yourself' who by the way has been unable to convince you, and then suggest we take it seriously as a method to gain knowledge of god.  

I didn't realize we were in a hurry. The arguments are difficult and people tend to misunderstand them. I think science people should be more comfortable saying "I don't know."

Oh stop it, It's a forum these things happen to a degree, someone not agreeing with you is not persecution, and neither are you persecuting anyone, you have to expect a little frustration on both sides I suggest you grow a thicker skin. 

There's a difference between disagreement to further the conversation and insults to shut it down. 

You are being so vague and evasive in everything you say, maybe take a stance (even if only playing devils advocate) then see how we go from there.

I have tried to be as clear as possible. Maybe I'm talking about one thing and you'd like me to talk about another.