RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 22, 2019 at 11:40 pm
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2019 at 11:45 pm by possibletarian.)
(March 22, 2019 at 10:50 pm)Belaqua Wrote: Right.
Okay.
Quote:"Defeat" is an interesting term. Are we fighting? I'd say that the arguments are difficult and a lot of people get them wrong. Because they are not entirely provable or disprovable with easy arguments, it makes sense to me to withhold a conclusion.
Okay, lets say that you have been unable to prove them wrong, but still they don't convince you personally, this could be for a few reasons.
1) That you lack sufficient understanding
2) That they are wrong
You also say they are neither entirely provable or disprovable, so for you they have not met the threshold of you personal definition of proof ?
Quote:They may offer sufficiently persuasive arguments for people who understand them better.
Well sure they do, arguments of all types can persuade people to believe all manner of things, indeed there are many who believe even without these arguments.
Quote:We'd better be careful about the word "proof" as people use that differently. I'd say they might be persuasive. And, again, it may be that one has been offered and I'm not sufficiently up to speed on it yet.
Persuasive is used very differently as well so why not use the word most people understand ? You clearly don't find the arguments you have come across to be persuasive enough for belief. So if they say it's persuasive and you say not how do we then decide what is true ?
I've just seen @LadyForCamus post, I would like to know as well, for you what is the missing piece of the puzzle for you to move from unbelief to belief ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'