(March 23, 2019 at 6:36 am)Belaqua Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1893999' dateline='1553336900']
"knowledge thorough revelation" is NOT reliable.
Please demonstrate this through empirical means.
Quote:The brain is an extremely unreliable tool.
Much of what people think is real is the brains interpretation of what it thinks its experiencing which can be confused and miss led by many many things.
(March 23, 2019 at 6:36 am)Belaqua Wrote: That's right. But an illusion perceived by an unreliable brain isn't revelation. It's an illusion.
Your argument here only works if you assume, a priori, that all revelations are illusion.
How do you tell the difference between an illusion that seems like a revelation and a revelation?
That's right. There isn't one.
So by their nature they are unreliable.
Quote:Even Dickens knew this "there is more of gravy than of grave about you!".
(March 23, 2019 at 6:36 am)Belaqua Wrote: What do you mean by "even Dickens"? Do you think he's generally unreliable?
Charles Dickens. Hes kind of a big deal. I think he was quite reliable as the 19th Writer that he was. My point was that it has been known for centuries that brains are unreliable.
Quote:So everything that is experienced only through the brain needs backing up by other means.
So in order to be trustworthy anything must be detectable by something other than the human mind.
Revelation is not and so is unreliable.
(March 23, 2019 at 6:36 am)Belaqua Wrote: Good. So you are also saying that the word "reliable" means "testable through scientific methods."
So if our metaphysical commitments tell us that the word "reliable" always and only means "available to science," then we are not open-minded to other methods than science.
You're getting it now.
To be reliable it must be testable somehow. That's why its reliable.
(March 23, 2019 at 6:36 am)Belaqua Wrote: By the way: look! You attempted to use logic alone to prove something about the world! Mrs. Camus will reject this out of hand.
I used logic to demonstrate that the scientific method is required to verify claims. I don't think she'll have a problem with that.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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