[Serious] An Argument Against Hedonistic Moral Realism

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All part of the fun. 

Here's another way to address mind independence as it's relevant to moral theories.

Can we reasonably believe each other when one of us claims to have a toothache?  If we suspected that the other person was lying (to get out of duty, for example)..is there some way to verify beyond their insistence that they have that toothache that they likely or probably or very certainly would be in pain?

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