RE: Atheist Dogma
April 18, 2020 at 12:33 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2020 at 12:40 am by Prof.Lunaphiles.)
(April 17, 2020 at 10:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, it's not semantics. It is beyond implausible that a child is born holding an intrinsic concept of complex and regionally specific superstitions. Let alone a political position on the proper relationship between faith and governance - secularism. Children probably are born atheists, but they cant possibly be born secularists..An individual person cannot be a secularist - the term "secularist" is a misnomer, only organizations, such as republic governing systems can be secular, at best, the only waay a person can be a secularist is by guarding the principle of of unbiased particpation in deliberating civil law - is that now the ultimate conclusion of separating faith from governance? Certainly you would agree that a government that forbids the representation for Christians is not secular - right???
You do not think that "secular" means that theists can participate, but they have to play some mind game that separates their relious beliefs from their political ambitions for organing tranquil community - do you???
What is the definition of "faith," and what distinguishes it from "belief." and distiguishes from "knoledge," and so forth???
have you gotten that far in your studies in seantics?
(April 17, 2020 at 10:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: and just because they're born not believing in things they have no idea or conception of, doesn't mean that they wont one day organically arrive at one. Superstition is an inevitable outcome of human cognition.Not without consulting with another person who is either going to confirm his perception, thereby constructing a doctrine of explanation for the unexplainable[ or disapprove of the conception of such a entity.
(April 17, 2020 at 10:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -I didn't even know what the country I live in was called when I was born. I couldn't possibly have been an american any more than I could have possibly been a jesus-ist. No fucking clue what either were.Good anaology device, I have never encountered it befor. I consider my evolution to be very similar, if not no different - did you get to marry a fashion model that allows for a semi-open marriage?
I had to be indoctrinated to both. One stuck, the other didn't.
Contrary to your previous explanation, American patriotism is not encarnated by the existence of a portion of landmass. Americanism, and American patriotism, are encarnated by the doctrine of liberty campaigned in the legends of the founding of the United States, and the can-do-it-ness of the subsequent history, which ultimately dismisses divine intervention.
The establishment of justice is at odds with belief in an almighty judge, as well. It is kind of amazing that theism has survived so long.
(April 18, 2020 at 12:00 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Of course atheism can be religious as long as it doesn't explicitly argue for the existence of a god
And no it's your definition of humanism that's wrong .The standard definition is fine .
How can that be if atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods - what is the doctrine that a person is "religious" about???