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Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
(April 19, 2020 at 7:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The sheer volume of work produced by an author or a group of ideologically aligned authors is no indication that any of it is true, or reliable.  

I don't recall mentioning the volume of work as proof of reliability, but the percentage of hadiths rejected (much more than 50%, that is). There are ideologically aligned scholars and fervent defenders of Islam whose reported hadiths were rejected. Lots of Muslim men fabricated -with good intention- wonderful sayings and attributed them to Muhammad, they didn't pass muster.
I am going to take a very popular popular saying -"Paradise is under the feet of mothers", this saying was pinned against the walls of my primary school, all over the place, and below it, the Prophet's name as the reference. Some years later I came to discover the hadith is not valid, it's a fabrication.

So, there is motivation for an Islamic scholar to dishonestly link the saying to Muhammad - it's better if his prophet regards motherhood that highly. Still, you can find scholars dismissing its validity on the web, just by copy pasting the saying on a search engine.

(April 19, 2020 at 7:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Beneath it all, magic book (any magic book..and this goes beyond magic books to most ideology) isn't about what happened or what is, but about how it's authors wished for things to be.  The story in question, for example..is written from a point of ideological assent to the actions of a warlord.  It offers pretense, but we'd have to be very credulous to believe that what a warlord's pr shills wrote was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth (as told by steve who heard it from jan who..). 

Actually, Muhammad doesn't have himself that much of a place in the Qur'an. His name is only mentioned -explicitly- four times, while Moses for example is mentioned 21 times. There are entire chapters about Noah', Mary the mother of Jesus (Surah of Maryam') and another Surah about her family. Also, the first thirteen years of his prophetic career in Mecca didn't include any military action... 82 chapters of the Qur'an are Meccan ( out of 114 ).

With this in mind it's harder to imagine that the qur'an is written just to defend one man's desires or ideas/justify his wars.

(April 19, 2020 at 7:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Even if we assume as much, for reasons of pure lulz - magic book still describes big mo as a caravan raider.  People who don't subscribe to the ideological ticks of a 7th century warlord aren't even going to care whether things happened as described.  It's completely irrelevant to their rejection of your magic book as a source of truth or virtue.  If big mo did what magic book said, I'm not interested..if big mo didn't do what magic book said, and for whatever reason magic book just describes him that way, in error...I'm still not interested.

I think you should elaborate on this caravan raider charge - namely what verse are you referring to, and what historical event.
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Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 14, 2020 at 3:39 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Gwaithmir - April 14, 2020 at 7:29 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 14, 2020 at 11:04 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 14, 2020 at 11:21 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 14, 2020 at 11:30 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 14, 2020 at 11:34 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Nay_Sayer - April 15, 2020 at 12:11 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by chimp3 - April 15, 2020 at 8:20 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Deesse23 - April 16, 2020 at 9:19 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by chimp3 - April 16, 2020 at 7:24 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 17, 2020 at 5:45 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by chimp3 - April 17, 2020 at 7:51 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 17, 2020 at 10:14 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 19, 2020 at 7:22 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Brian37 - April 16, 2020 at 9:54 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 1:05 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 1:33 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 2:08 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 2:30 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 2:52 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 3:28 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 17, 2020 at 3:53 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 17, 2020 at 5:16 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 17, 2020 at 3:40 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 17, 2020 at 3:20 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 19, 2020 at 7:27 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by LastPoet - April 19, 2020 at 4:36 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by LastPoet - April 20, 2020 at 1:45 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 19, 2020 at 7:33 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 19, 2020 at 8:32 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 19, 2020 at 8:19 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 19, 2020 at 9:02 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 19, 2020 at 9:24 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 11:20 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 20, 2020 at 12:07 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 19, 2020 at 9:05 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 7:27 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Deesse23 - April 20, 2020 at 6:09 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 8:24 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 8:35 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Belacqua - April 20, 2020 at 6:24 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 21, 2020 at 12:57 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 9:00 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 9:36 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 9:57 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by WinterHold - April 20, 2020 at 10:04 am
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 12:03 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 1:54 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by LastPoet - April 20, 2020 at 2:02 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by R00tKiT - April 20, 2020 at 3:47 pm
RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve? - by Mr Greene - April 21, 2020 at 9:23 am

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