RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
January 26, 2021 at 11:40 am
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2021 at 11:48 am by Greatest I am.)
(January 25, 2021 at 6:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It would be more difficult to find a moral tenet that hadn't changed. All of the things you're criticizing the faithful for, for example, used to be seen as virtues. For some, they still are.
It's an open question, really, whether moral tenets do or don't refer to something more than instinct, and what that is, if they do. We tend to make the assumption that they refer to more significant content - but regardless of the answer to any of that...they do change, don't you think? Have you always had the exact moral thoughts and positions that you do now? Just in our own lives these things can change, I can't imagine how we would see them as unchanging in society or over time.
Don't harm, do help. There you go - that's my entire moral philosophy. Sometimes that means treating others far..faaaaar worse than I would like to be treated, but it also carries a commitment to doing more for others than I expect (or even want) of others for me.
You confirm that most live by the Golden Rule. Thanks.
We cannot talk so generally and get anywhere. We need to find what you are talking about that you see as changing.
You will have to get more specific in the change you are talking about. A proof of concept.
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DL
(January 25, 2021 at 6:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Set and setting decided who would use infanticide or not.(January 25, 2021 at 5:52 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: I am still waiting to see which moral tenet you see as having changed.
We still follow our instincts as far as I can see, as we either cooperate or compete, as required or desired.
If you do not follow a reciprocity tenet as your first presentation, what tenet do you start with?
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DL
Infanticide leaps to mind. The idea that unwanted newborns should not be exposed on a rubbish heap or drowned in a bucket is a fairly late development. For much of human history, doing so wasn’t even a crime, much less a moral failing.
Boru
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Where resources were limited and the going was hard, it was better to get rid of a baby than to get rid of a worker. Survival demanded it. That is why they tried to sanctify sex within marriage and allowed/encouraged men to use the Temple Prostitutes.
Nice that child sacrifice was rather rare.
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DL
(January 25, 2021 at 8:20 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Slavery is another one.
I disagree here.
What other course of action would you offer a slave?
Like the term or not, in terms of an analogy, slavery was the only social safety net.
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DL