RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
January 27, 2021 at 6:12 pm
(January 27, 2021 at 5:25 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(January 27, 2021 at 4:52 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Nature is fine. People are fucked.Seems to me that the word best is doing more lifting than the word natural - all of it, in fact.
I have no idea what your "There doesn't need to be any other than. " means.
Men and and women failing to protect their children from discrimination without a just cause, or adding to it the way Christians do, is hardly the best form of natural.
We can plainly see that it's natural for people to do things which neither you, nor I, nor the postman would describe as the best things to do. This is something that you see amiss, in nature, in humans. You take moral issue with it. Correct?
Quote:Now try English.
I'm going to interpret this as a request to rephrase.
People who claim that homosexuality is bad, bad defined as unnatural things, put themselves in a bind. The same bind that you're in by defining natural as good, and then referring to some thing that they're doing as bad.
Each of you makes a claim to fact which cannot be true if either of your complaints about what other people are doing are true. Each of you makes a claim to moral state by moral facts which cannot be true if those moral facts are true.
This is what it means for a thing to be self referentially false. That if any given part of the statement were true, the rest couldn't be true.
I define nature as mostly good, but in our dualistic universe, I have to look for it's other side of that coin as well. Like our evolution, it is mostly good with a touch of evil. I doubt that either of us would want to rid the world of either side.
As to your self referentially false statement, I do not see the sense in your reason for naming it so.
I would think the reverse true.
Why would a true fact annul a true moral state?
Give a specific example. You know we get nowhere when you go too generic.
KIS is good.
Regards
DL