RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
January 28, 2021 at 3:47 pm
(January 28, 2021 at 2:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:Quote:As christians, you both do accept equivalent religious claims - that christ is savior.
Good god no. Christians need saving because they think Yahweh condemned them.
Gnostic Christians do not believe in a real Yahweh or blood sacrifice of Jesus and the only saving we think we need is from thinking like the immoral literalists who adore a genocidal prick.
Quote:Just as we might confuse natural facts for moral facts, we might confuse facts of our superstitions with moral facts. You and a mainline christian have disparate superstitions, but you share the moral claim to sacred content, and, obviously, your natures as human beings.
Gnostic Christians have no superstitions. We are thinkers, realists and naturalists who use logic and reason, not delusional.
To us, nothing is sacred unless we label it so. The same applies to holy.
Quote:It may be that no fact of your religion or your superstitions accurately reflects or establishes any moral fact, in fact - and I personally believe that you're both in the same situation on that count. There is literally nothing of moral import in either of your religions. The only moral import to either of your religions surrounds your willingness to assert or enforce your religious beliefs. That's consequential, even if your positions on the specific matters are utterly and completely vacuous.Too general.
Moral tenets are not exclusive to religions and our seem to apply universally. Not surprising given that we are Universalists.
That may not seem consequential to some, but that prevents us from the discrimination without a just cause that Christians perpetrate against half of society.
We assert. We have no enforcement. We leave those tools of inquisitions and jihads to others.
Regards
DL