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A new Confederacy
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RE: A new Confederacy
(January 13, 2021 at 3:24 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(January 13, 2021 at 12:50 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: @  Bob.

Consider the practicality of institution in light of those aspects of us law.  Laws don't just happen, they're literally made of people, and those people have an interest in survival in the context of insurrection that can and will exceed any ideological sympathies that they hold.  A president of the united states could be a robe wearing klansman - and they will still not humor any breakaway klan states or claims that their authority or office is illegitimate.

That might have been convincing before Jan. 6, 2021.  I believe the Right has now made it clear they will no longer tolerate the politics of the Left.  The danger in a split is mostly when the Left is in power but it could be the other way around as well.  Now that we see people like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley openly join with the Fascist Right and trust me, there will be no consequences for them, what is to stop them from continuing to pursue power and continuing to pursue the manipulation of national and state politics to carve out a society that they control?  We saw Trump openly pursing nonexistent precedents to hold on to power, calling on the VP to basically declare the election invalid and Trump the winner.  We heard a recording of him pressuring state officials to manufacture votes for him and to invalidate the vote tally in their state.  That is open, clear defiance for established law.  The Fascist Right has no interest in laws that don't help their cause.  Once that Rubicon is crossed, why would they suddenly stop at some other law or statute?  They've already been manipulating election laws for decades to favor Republicans.  And don't for a minute think that once Trump is gone, the next batch of GOP hopefuls will be nice guys like Mitt Romney.  Those days are over, guys.  In 2022 I predict you will see numerous Trump acolytes running for and winning many offices.  I believe the worst is yet to come but I hope I'm just plain wrong.

(January 13, 2021 at 1:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: While it’s perfectly true that something written down on paper can’t stop a rebellion, it’s equally true that massive military force can do exactly that.

Boru

Only if you assume that military force opposes the rebellion.  Soldiers follow their commanding officers, not their own personal loyalties.  All you need are a handful of generals.

Soldiers follow their oaths. As for your 'handful of generals':

Quote:MEMORANDUM FOR THE JOINT FORCE

SUBJECT: MESSAGE TO THE JOINT FORCE


The American people have trusted the Armed Forces of the United States to protect them and our Constitution for almost 250 years. As we have done throughout our history, the U.S. military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civil authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The violent riot in Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021 was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process. We mourn the deaths of the two Capitol policemen and others connected to these unprecedented events.

We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law. The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection.

As Service Members, we must embody the values and ideals of the Nation. We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the Constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law.

On January 20, 2021, in accordance with the Constitution, confirmed by the states and the courts, and certified by Congress, President-elect Biden will be inaugurated and will become our 46th Commander in Chief.

To our men and women deployed and at home, safeguarding our country-stay ready, keep your eyes on the horizon, and remain focused on the mission. We honor your continued service in defense of every American.

(emphasis added)

It seems fairly clear what the position of the US armed forces would be in the fantasy-land scenario you describe.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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Messages In This Thread
A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 12, 2021 at 12:59 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 12, 2021 at 1:02 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Ranjr - January 12, 2021 at 1:06 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 12, 2021 at 5:49 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Brian37 - January 12, 2021 at 6:21 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 12, 2021 at 6:33 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Brian37 - January 12, 2021 at 6:36 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 12, 2021 at 6:38 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rev. Rye - January 12, 2021 at 8:40 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rhizomorph13 - January 12, 2021 at 8:42 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by GUBU - January 13, 2021 at 5:57 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by AFTT47 - January 12, 2021 at 8:48 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rhizomorph13 - January 12, 2021 at 9:40 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Peebo-Thuhlu - January 12, 2021 at 10:47 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Fireball - January 12, 2021 at 11:27 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 5:31 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by HappySkeptic - January 13, 2021 at 10:28 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 9:37 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 9:50 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 10:33 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Mister Agenda - January 13, 2021 at 10:39 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 10:49 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 12:27 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 12:48 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 12:50 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 3:24 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 4:00 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 1:50 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 3:42 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 6:21 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 6:46 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by onlinebiker - January 13, 2021 at 6:54 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 6:56 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 3:32 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 5:31 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 6:03 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 6:53 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 6:09 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 6:26 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 6:57 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rev. Rye - January 13, 2021 at 7:00 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 7:03 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 7:05 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 7:07 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rev. Rye - January 13, 2021 at 7:11 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Ryantology - January 26, 2021 at 11:21 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2021 at 11:49 pm

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