RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
April 6, 2021 at 11:49 am
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2021 at 12:04 pm by Drich.)
(April 5, 2021 at 2:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(April 5, 2021 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote: "we" do it is in the Lord's prayer.. the proof of this prayer is recorded in luke 11:
11 And it came to pass that as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, “Lord, teach us to pray as John also taught his disciples.”
2 And He said unto them, “When ye pray, say: Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in Heaven, so on earth.
Sew.... if God's will is being done and we (those who will inhabit heaven to one degree or another ) have been instructed to and indeed pray for God's will to be done... then we are asking for God's will God's idea of a kingdom to supersede our own will and thoughts of will.
As an admittedly disgruntled member of ‘we all’, I can assure you that not everyone prays for God’s will to be done.
And I notice that the passage you quoted does not contain the pronoun ‘we’.
Boru
read the whole passage. one of disciples came to jesus and asked him to teach them how to they should pray. meaning not only them but all of his followers as the example given by john the Baptist taught all of his followers.. And it came to pass that as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, “Lord, teach us to pray as John also taught his disciples.”
this is the one and only prayer Jesus gave us as an official example of prayer. no Christian can deny the lord's prayer. every Christian has prayed it. as it is the only pray ever written down as a template for all pray by Christ himself.
(April 5, 2021 at 8:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(April 5, 2021 at 1:18 pm)Drich Wrote: No free will in Heaven.
We all pray for God will be done, as his will is righteous and will free from righteousness is evil.
Sounds like a blast, lol.
once you lived in the will of God, life has meaning makes sense as you yield your will and accept his you will come to understand you have been made for a very specific purpose and will find real joy and contentment in what it is you do. if you are truly happy because you have found your intended role in this life what does it matter who's will you serve?
(April 5, 2021 at 10:25 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Oh goody, Drich got a day pass.
buying guns cars trucks and ammo all day can wear a person out. Sometimes one needs a change of scenery.
(April 6, 2021 at 10:00 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(April 5, 2021 at 1:18 pm)Drich Wrote: No free will in Heaven.
We all pray for God will be done, as his will is righteous and will free from righteousness is evil.
Isn't that difficult to reconcile with a third of the angels rebelling?
angels are a higher order of being. the closer to god a being is the more 'freedoms' he has. look at all the power ;Lucifer was given. he was given so much he thought he was god or could be... Adam never felt that way.. that said being given an option of a singular choice like the tree of knowledge is not the same of free will. even slaves in colonial times were sometimes given the option to marry and could even buy certain freedoms. even so no one then or now would considered them totally free/equal. even if they had no direct master. most were restricted to certain cities or territories could not own land, could not vote ect. like wise even though the angels rebelled they are not deities or have the freedom of God. they still answer to God
look at the first chapter of JOB Satan still answers to God as a servant. so even with the freedoms he had he still submitted to
God.
and also when Jesus cast out demons more specifically the legion of demons possessing the one man who lived in a cemetery. the legion feared Christ and asked to be drown in a heard of pigs rather than face Christ judgement at that time.
bottom line rebellion is not an example of free will if God allowed it.
