RE: Benevolent Creator God?
August 12, 2021 at 12:08 pm
(This post was last modified: August 12, 2021 at 12:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 10, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Sure, I understand that you think the Qur'an is filled with errors, but here, I am trying to focus on one specific example: the pharaoh's claim of divinity.Then you should already know that I don't have to believe that there are fairies, or big mo got things miraculously right.
Quote:The Qur'an clearly agrees with the Bible about the pharaoh's storyAgreeing with the christian or jewish magic book isn't the same thing as something being historically accurate. Neither of their magic books are historically accurate either.
And..again, it was never a secret that pharaohs claimed to be divine. It was an organizing principle of their society, a society which persisted for thousands of years; shaping, influencing and communicating with every other culture in the region.
You probably need a better example. If you don't have one, you don't have a miracle here, or djinn, or even a particularly wise mans sayings.[/quote]
Quote:Now you are just being dishonest. Do you think the Qur'an is somewhat also wrong when it mentions mundane facts?I think it's clear that I don't need to believe in djinn or that a persona was accidentally right with mundane facts - egyptian potentates claims to divinity being among them.
Quote:Are you sure you don't want to take this one back?Entirely, as big mo didn't write a single word in magic book to be right or wrong, accidentally, miraculously, or otherwise.
Quote:You failed like everybody else, for 14 centuries, to point out anything wrong in the Qur'an. To be fair, there are some verses that can easily be misunderstood as mistakes because of the nature of Classical Arabic, add that to dubious translations, but whose fault is that? People who study arabic badly, or those who think googling "qur'an mistakes" is a reliable way to reach ultimate reality ? Why would some fool today think they understand classical Arabic better than the people who surrounded Muhammad, who had every reason to invalidate his claims and ridicule the Qur'an, and who were, of course, more fluent than any arabic native speaker alive...? -and certainly more fluent than any non-native speaker........More of your silly beliefs.
Quote:Put yourself in our shoes, someone comes to you and tells you they found a mistake (sometimes, even a grammar mistake) in the Qur'an. Then you wonder, someone who likely has no credentials relatively to classical arabic literature is criticizing the finest work of Arabic prose in existence, how should you proceed..?Oh no, someone is criticizing your favorite ghost story. How could a westerner possibly understand that?
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Quote:I agree there can be a god who never inspired a book, in which case he would have never communicated with us, . Now why do you rule out a god who inspires books? What's inherently contradictoy about communicating a message to a human being.. or is it just that you think there no sufficient evidence..?I rule out your book as a representative of the hypothetical set.
Quote:Absent all known religious books, there is no known sign of divine guidance. Agree? disagree?Careful, believing in a mystical totem in the shape of book is the only thing between you and atheism, apparently.
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