RE: Benevolent Creator God?
August 22, 2021 at 8:48 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2021 at 8:50 am by Spongebob.)
@Klorophyll I'm not going to do a point for point on your last post because most of it is basically working under the grand assumption that god exists and is responsible for everything. You haven't demonstrated it to be true, but you believe it to be true. That's your belief but it can't be demonstrated. Consider this, if you put value on something because its beautiful or complex or interesting, such as a flower, and you say this is evidence of god. Understand that these values you placing on this object comes from you subjectively. You may ignore or look over some other aspect of reality that I value. When I explain that we understand the physical processes required to cause some aspect of reality, it means that as far as the universe is concerned it is not a miracle; it's very explainable within the laws of the universe. What you are now saying is that god created those laws, therefore it is responsible for everything. That's fine as a belief system but its also teleology, its circular, and it is not any sort of proof of god's existence, nor is it a convincing logical argument. I would bet every atheist on this forum is extremely familiar with this approach and every one of them have probably considered this concept very carefully and eventually rejected it. So you aren't introducing any new ideas here.
Regarding Einstein's theory of special relativity. Look, I probably know much more than you do about the subject so stop assuming things. My point is that Einstein developed his thought experiments without any mathematics or science. Those things came later. His ideas are what led to the discoveries and his ideas constitute his profound insight into the field. The math and science were merely the structure those ideas needed to convince other scientists. It should be extremely impressive to you that it took decades of technological advancement to be able to confirm some of his ideas with physical measurements. This is often the case in major scientific breakthroughs. In my opinion, this is the closest thing that humans get to a miracle.
Just because you don't understand logical arguments doesn't mean they aren't logical arguments.
No, you said it, you're just to self absorbed to understand what you said. Anyway, I'm done with you because you don't listen to anyone else and you just keep babbling nonsense. Come back later with something real to say. I don't known why some Christians can't understand that they don't know everything and it's ok to fail and then learn something new.
Regarding Einstein's theory of special relativity. Look, I probably know much more than you do about the subject so stop assuming things. My point is that Einstein developed his thought experiments without any mathematics or science. Those things came later. His ideas are what led to the discoveries and his ideas constitute his profound insight into the field. The math and science were merely the structure those ideas needed to convince other scientists. It should be extremely impressive to you that it took decades of technological advancement to be able to confirm some of his ideas with physical measurements. This is often the case in major scientific breakthroughs. In my opinion, this is the closest thing that humans get to a miracle.
Quote:Many people here though don't seem to welcome purely logical arguments.
Just because you don't understand logical arguments doesn't mean they aren't logical arguments.
(August 21, 2021 at 3:06 pm)Mashmont Wrote:(August 21, 2021 at 2:47 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Ah, yes, the old no true Scotsman argument. Never fails. If he does that he never was a True Christian. Convenient argument. But again, if people are truly changed, then why do they fall? And then saying they fall because they weren't really changed, that eliminates most Christians. I know of very few who've never done anything sinful.
And if a True Christian just stumbles, then realized he has sinned, why do they never turn themselves in?
I never said that. I said people who have embraced it can indeed fail, but it's generally not often and not far.
I have never understood why atheists think it's worse to try and fail than to never try.
No, you said it, you're just to self absorbed to understand what you said. Anyway, I'm done with you because you don't listen to anyone else and you just keep babbling nonsense. Come back later with something real to say. I don't known why some Christians can't understand that they don't know everything and it's ok to fail and then learn something new.
Why is it so?
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~Julius Sumner Miller