RE: Benevolent Creator God?
August 24, 2021 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2021 at 8:41 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 24, 2021 at 3:34 am)Ahriman Wrote:(August 24, 2021 at 3:32 am)Foxaire Wrote: Incorrect.Both forms of faith, are based on a lack of absolute knowledge.
(August 24, 2021 at 3:38 am)Foxaire Wrote: Incorrect.
Secular faith: I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow.
The empirical evidence is there to verify this as fact.
Religious faith: I have faith that god will ensure the sun rises tomorrow.
There is no evidence that god exists, let alone that he is the reason for the rising of the sun.
Just an aside - buuuuut. IMO-
The first isn't a great example of faith and the second isn't a great example of religion. You might be able to tease out the difference between them by positing secular religion and theistic religion. As nothing about religion or faith necessarily implies a god or has anything to do with the sun rising.
In a secular religion - the moral and/or truth content involved is premised on assertions or observations regarding the state of human affairs in the human world, plainly - whereas in a theistic religion the moral and/or truth content is premised on assertions or observations of an existent and personal god.
The secular set of assertions would be true (or false) on their own merits regardless of whether a god existed, whereas the theistic set can't be true in the absence of an existent god.
Now, I don't think it takes any faith whatsoever to posit that people exist, and have lives, and that our ideas are consequential to those humans lives. Gods..yeah, that takes faith. Consider;
Secular religion - People need water to survive, so you -should- consider water rights and access as a matter of consequential import.
Theistic religion - An existent moralizing god with a shitlist wants you to share water, so you -should- consider water rights and access as a matter of consequential import.
They may have arrived at the same conclusion - but they are in no way functionally identical. Something tells me that staring at a dogs face won't resolve the issue.
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