RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy
December 10, 2021 at 9:06 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2021 at 9:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The notion, commonly, is that it's a future event. They're taking dirtnaps right now. JWs also believe in a bodily resurrection.
Proto christians certainly believed in a bodily resurrection, on this earth..in the immanent davidic campaign to subjugate the planet. They just got tired of waiting, things didn't go to plan, and that's when they started believing in heaven as you know it today, in dead people being returned immediately to sender, elsewhere, as it were. There was the expectation that their bodies would be theirs but, in many ways, new or improved. Cripples didn't imagine being crippled come their restoration. That would be a bad sales pitch. For what it's worth, you kind of have to posit some other whatsit in that scenario..because people might have noticed that the bodies of the faithful remained in the ground, right where they were left.
An even funnier answer to that question..in the context of proto christian belief..is that they believed that the resurrected dead were walking all over jerusalem. Romans didn't notice..but who knows, it may have been hard to tell a dead rebel from a living one. The distinction could only ever be academic to the roman military.
My own interest here comes from the fact that Neo appears to be closer to proto christians in this belief, at least..and, oddly enough, christianity did not begin with any belief in the "immaterial". Not even souls. I can see how proto christian belief, aside from the prophetic elements..as yet anyway, would be a better fit for our contemporary world, at least insomuch as it conceptualizes what we are. I wonder if the notion of immateriality has any necessary place in neos beliefs..or if he could just as easily (and perhaps more forcefully) argue or persuade without it. A physical resurrection of a physical creature certainly doesn't require it, for example. Say, that a mind or soul was inalienable from it's material construction and the process to restore it involved restoring that body.
Proto christians certainly believed in a bodily resurrection, on this earth..in the immanent davidic campaign to subjugate the planet. They just got tired of waiting, things didn't go to plan, and that's when they started believing in heaven as you know it today, in dead people being returned immediately to sender, elsewhere, as it were. There was the expectation that their bodies would be theirs but, in many ways, new or improved. Cripples didn't imagine being crippled come their restoration. That would be a bad sales pitch. For what it's worth, you kind of have to posit some other whatsit in that scenario..because people might have noticed that the bodies of the faithful remained in the ground, right where they were left.
An even funnier answer to that question..in the context of proto christian belief..is that they believed that the resurrected dead were walking all over jerusalem. Romans didn't notice..but who knows, it may have been hard to tell a dead rebel from a living one. The distinction could only ever be academic to the roman military.
My own interest here comes from the fact that Neo appears to be closer to proto christians in this belief, at least..and, oddly enough, christianity did not begin with any belief in the "immaterial". Not even souls. I can see how proto christian belief, aside from the prophetic elements..as yet anyway, would be a better fit for our contemporary world, at least insomuch as it conceptualizes what we are. I wonder if the notion of immateriality has any necessary place in neos beliefs..or if he could just as easily (and perhaps more forcefully) argue or persuade without it. A physical resurrection of a physical creature certainly doesn't require it, for example. Say, that a mind or soul was inalienable from it's material construction and the process to restore it involved restoring that body.
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