RE: Questions for theists.
November 10, 2011 at 5:42 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2011 at 6:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
People have NDE's.
People (a demonstrably "real" thing) have experiences (interpretations of demonstrably "real" events, in this case dying) when they die (death being another demonstrably "real" thing). What does any of this have to say about an afterlife? I had a dream last night, does that mean that my dreamscape exists in the same way the the waking world exists? I think not. I've seen tons of studies on "the supernatural" too Tack. None of them are satisfying. Maybe because they have a nasty habit of not being able to be repeated, are lacking in critical areas, or are non-science peddled by people intent on selling bullshit to the gullible under the guise of an entity people have (rightly) come to trust.
From your link.
"The young man was never dead," said Dr. Paul Byrne, a former president of the Catholic Medical Association who began writing about brain death in 1977."
or perhaps this fun quote, from the same Dr. Byrne, in the same article.
"Brain death was concocted, it was made up in order to get organs. It was never based on science."
Holy nutjob alert. Yes, Dr Byrne. You know how those doctors are, always trying to get their hands on peoples organs!
Let's try something a little less crazy shall we?
"Brain death is the irreversible end of all brain activity (including involuntary activity necessary to sustain life)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death
So, if this gentleman's heart was beating, if he was somehow able to respond (alerting those around him before being cut open), if he was still alive, then how exactly was he brain dead? Sounds like misdiagnosis to me. What does this have to do with NDE?
Ah, wait a minute, figured it out. This article appears on a website which is one of the projects of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Life_Coalition a "Canadian conservative Christian pro-life group.", who "launched a vocal campaign against same-sex marriage" and has been described as an "online anti-abortion journal". Bravo. Sounds like these people are all about science. They couldn't possibly have sourced a nutjob out of the woodwork with a respectable set of letters in front of his name who advocates or argues for a position which agrees with their own faith based position(which he presumably shares).........(looks up). Nevermind, that's exactly what they did.
People (a demonstrably "real" thing) have experiences (interpretations of demonstrably "real" events, in this case dying) when they die (death being another demonstrably "real" thing). What does any of this have to say about an afterlife? I had a dream last night, does that mean that my dreamscape exists in the same way the the waking world exists? I think not. I've seen tons of studies on "the supernatural" too Tack. None of them are satisfying. Maybe because they have a nasty habit of not being able to be repeated, are lacking in critical areas, or are non-science peddled by people intent on selling bullshit to the gullible under the guise of an entity people have (rightly) come to trust.
From your link.
"The young man was never dead," said Dr. Paul Byrne, a former president of the Catholic Medical Association who began writing about brain death in 1977."
or perhaps this fun quote, from the same Dr. Byrne, in the same article.
"Brain death was concocted, it was made up in order to get organs. It was never based on science."
Holy nutjob alert. Yes, Dr Byrne. You know how those doctors are, always trying to get their hands on peoples organs!
Let's try something a little less crazy shall we?
"Brain death is the irreversible end of all brain activity (including involuntary activity necessary to sustain life)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death
So, if this gentleman's heart was beating, if he was somehow able to respond (alerting those around him before being cut open), if he was still alive, then how exactly was he brain dead? Sounds like misdiagnosis to me. What does this have to do with NDE?
Ah, wait a minute, figured it out. This article appears on a website which is one of the projects of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Life_Coalition a "Canadian conservative Christian pro-life group.", who "launched a vocal campaign against same-sex marriage" and has been described as an "online anti-abortion journal". Bravo. Sounds like these people are all about science. They couldn't possibly have sourced a nutjob out of the woodwork with a respectable set of letters in front of his name who advocates or argues for a position which agrees with their own faith based position(which he presumably shares).........(looks up). Nevermind, that's exactly what they did.
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