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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 7:58 pm
(December 18, 2011 at 4:55 pm)whateverist Wrote: If I lack a belief in a flat earth, I necessarily believe that the earth is not flat.
Wrong again. We're not talking about the shape of god. We are talking about his existence. In your analogy, you are already presupposing the existence of the Earth. If neither you or I can see Earth and you say it is there, yet lack tangible proof and I reject your claim, I do not "believe" there is no Earth. I am ignoring your silly belief. If we both know the Earth is there, then we must have some beliefs about it. For me to not believe in god, I must presuppose that the idea has merit. It does not, so it is a rejection, not a belief. You people try this one ALL the fucking time.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:01 pm
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2011 at 8:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Yet each time they seem certain that we've never heard it before. Like a kid that discovers the fine art of lying to their parent for the very first time. "This is brilliant, I've never thought of this...NO-ONE has ever thought of this!" Sigh.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Okay, here are the options.
A. Gets frustrated and fades out. (unlikely)
B. Gets frustrated, freaks out and claims he is going to leave the forum forever and never come back because all of the atheists here are ignorant assholes.
C. Starts to see the folly of his insulting entrance and actually tries to see a point of view that exists outside of his rectum.
D. Turns out to be a Poe and gets his ass fucking banned.
I'll be taking bets in my inbox.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:22 pm
(December 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm)Shell B Wrote: Okay, here are the options.
A. Gets frustrated and fades out. (unlikely)
B. Gets frustrated, freaks out and claims he is going to leave the forum forever and never come back because all of the atheists here are ignorant assholes.
C. Starts to see the folly of his insulting entrance and actually tries to see a point of view that exists outside of his rectum.
D. Turns out to be a Poe and gets his ass fucking banned.
I'll be taking bets in my inbox.
Based solely on observations of other posters who's arguments are indistinguishable from his:
B ~= D > A > C
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm
My thoughts exactly.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Shell B: a "rejection", as you put it, of the idea of god is disbelief in God. There is no other way to describe it. It is impossible for one to acknowledge an idea without holding a belief about it. You may be ambivilant towards belief in God, or feel or sense in some way that God does not exist, but the very fact that you are aware of the idea of God makes God impossible to reject. The only things one can "reject" are beliefs. You may believe the idea is wrong, or ignore or disregard that idea, but the idea exists nonetheless. You were forced to accept the idea by the mere fact that it was introduced to you. You claim that you reject the idea of God, but to do so requires that at one point you were made aware of the possibility of God. The fact that you are aware of the possibility of God necessarily means that you formed some sort of belief about what "God" is. you then rejected that belief. One does not need to "know" anything to form beliefs about things. Indeed, belief and knowledge occupy two entirely separate spheres.
God exists or fails to exist regardless of you're "rejection". You reject a beleif in the existence of God, but that rejectiion is entirely unrelated to a question of whether or not God exists.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:32 pm
(December 18, 2011 at 3:40 pm)amkerman Wrote: If you believe with conviction that anything objectively is true you believe in something that would correctly be termed a monotheistic deity. You say that you don't believe in absolute moral values, and that may be correct, but if you believe that anything is objectively true you can not logically call yourself an atheist. You may be right; it is entirely possible that "God" does not exist and nothing is inherently true or real. I fear you are being intellectually dishonest to yourself Darwinning.
No what is intellectually dishonest is you coming in here and telling us what we are suppose to believe and why we believe it. Contrary to what you theists seem to believe we get along just fine without your mind control bibliotard doctrine.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:34 pm
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Your posts, Amker, are entirely unrelated to what anyone else believes, whether or not god exists, or coherent thought. And? You believe that god accounts for this or that. That's your belief, has nothing to do with anything or anyone but yourself (certainly nothing to do with whatever you're invoking god to explain). So you believe in things like "truth" and for you this equates to a belief in god. Again, your belief. Has nothing to do with any god in actuality, only the concept of god which appeals to you. A concept for which you have exactly nothing demonstrable, persuasive, or even remotely accurate. You're a big fan, we get it. Now where's that argument against atheism?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Coherent thought rhythm? up to that point I actually agree with you. And... it seems most of the posters I have been talking to are more concerned with making themselves feel good by taking pot-shots at me, and theists in general it seems, than the truth. I find it amusing that so many are quick to assume I am a "bibliotard" and the like. I have never stated I was religious, I have never said I was a Christian, I have never even stated that God exists. Logic and reason and truth, which I thought formed the foundations of atheism, do not make a spot of difference to many of you it seems. Posters seem to be content with holding illogical and contrary beliefs, which is fine, but to do so at the same time consider yourself logical people is scary. Atheism is just as full of wing bats and blind followers as Christtianity it seems. It is most certainly a religion.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm
(December 18, 2011 at 8:32 pm)amkerman Wrote: Shell B: a "rejection", as you put it, of the idea of god is disbelief in God. There is no other way to describe it. It is impossible for one to acknowledge an idea without holding a belief about it. You may be ambivilant towards belief in God, or feel or sense in some way that God does not exist, but the very fact that you are aware of the idea of God makes God impossible to reject. The only things one can "reject" are beliefs. You may believe the idea is wrong, or ignore or disregard that idea, but the idea exists nonetheless. You were forced to accept the idea by the mere fact that it was introduced to you. You claim that you reject the idea of God, but to do so requires that at one point you were made aware of the possibility of God. The fact that you are aware of the possibility of God necessarily means that you formed some sort of belief about what "God" is. you then rejected that belief. One does not need to "know" anything to form beliefs about things. Indeed, belief and knowledge occupy two entirely separate spheres.
You believing something does not make it a possibility. Use fewer words. It makes epic fails less likely.
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