No. What your argument is is a cum-shot of philosophical bollocks which equates to bugger all.
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 RE: Argument against atheism
December 22, 2011 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm by Norfolk And Chance.)
I'm not getting tripped up by anything. I'm real and I can prove it. End of story.
It really is that simple. (December 22, 2011 at 6:07 pm)frankiej Wrote: a cum-shot of philosophical bollocks Added to NAC database.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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December 22, 2011 at 6:16 pm
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2011 at 6:22 pm by amkerman.)
Ha I didn't mean to post any of that
I think I get what you are saying Norfolk. You are real. And you can prove it. Really. Because some things are real and some are not. And you are real. And there are a lot of other real things which prove you are real also. Is that what you are saying? If so know that you and I are completely on the same page.  (December 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm)amkerman Wrote: I think where you are getting tripped up Norfolk is the fact that you are of the opinion that physical objects prove their own existence since we observe them as being real in the physical world. The argument then turns on whether or not the self actually exists which you claim is evidenced by the fact that you are able to perceive feelings and physical things. Are you implying that the slightness, logic, reason and science are limited by "physical"? (December 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm)amkerman Wrote: For that to be the case we must believe that consciousness is inherent to the universe; that consciousness has always existed and observes all things at all times.In other words, Faith? (December 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm)amkerman Wrote: Here is where my mind has travelled from this point... I have a more complete argument on another computer but it's outIt'd be interesting experiment, but.... The problem is credibility of thiests' central belief of god based on certain book [Bible or Koran or Qu'ran or the book of Jehovah's witness or whatever].  RE: Argument against atheism
December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2011 at 4:09 am by Perhaps.)
(December 23, 2011 at 2:55 am)Blam! Wrote: Are you implying that the slightness, logic, reason and science are limited by "physical"? Do you exist? If so, Do you have consciousness? If so, Does your consciousness allow you to perceive the world? If so, Is the world objective (physical)? If so, Is your consciousness not physical? If so, Do other consciences exist? If so, Does this mean that multiple non-physical things (consciences) exist in an objective world? If so, Does this mean that which is a product of consciousness is separate from the objective world? If so, Does this make consciousness subjective? If so, Does a subjective consciousness infer flawed perception? If so, Are all thoughts and senses dependent on consciousness? If so, Are all processes and methods derived from thoughts and senses? If so, Are science, logic, and reason processes and methods? If so, Are all processes and methods derived from thoughts and senses? If so, Are all thoughts and senses dependent on consciousness? If so, Does a subjective consciousness infer flawed perception? If so, Does this mean that which is a product of consciousness is separate from the objective world? If so, Do other consciences exist? If so, Is your consciousness not physical? If so, Is the world objective (physical)? If so, Does this mean that multiple non-physical things (consciences) exist in an objective world? If so, Does your consciousness allow you to perceive the world? If so, Do you have consciousness? If so, Do you exist?
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Yep, that's about the direction of this thread. Is there a broken record smiley?
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 (December 22, 2011 at 4:51 pm)Darwinning Wrote:(December 22, 2011 at 4:47 pm)Perhaps Wrote: I think my assumption was just based on the idea that in order to survive one must be better than the other which it will kill to further sustain life. Thus evolution brings about 'better' things. But the idea of procreation is one which I should address further as well. I feel the need to expand on this a bit while I sip my morning coffee. If you have no interest in learning more about evolution, feel free to ignore. I happen to think it is one of the most intriguing subjects one can study, but I may be severely professionally biased. The size of the population is very important to evolution. It increases the chances of successful coupling. What if the only two people on the world don't like each other? What if they are both men? What if they are on different continents. No babies, no evolution. It reduces the effect of regressive mutations. Mutation is random. Bodies are complex. It's akin to hitting your car with a sledgehammer. A random change has a small chance of improving some small part of the machine, but a fairly large chance of breaking everything and stopping it from working altogether. Evolution of the species is paid for in many, many unborn babies. It increases variation in the population. Contrary to what some authors have claimed, not all pigs are equal; they are all slightly different. Children are not only dstinct from their parents because of mutation, but also because they are a recombination of two different individuals. The more individuals in the population there are, the more evolution can experiment with recombining existing features. There's probably more, but my coffee is cold now. Better brew some more. RE: Argument against atheism
December 23, 2011 at 7:35 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2011 at 7:41 am by Blam!.)
(December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Do you exist? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Do you have consciousness? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Does your consciousness allow you to perceive the world? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Is the world objective (physical)? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Is your consciousness not physical? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Do other consciences exist? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Does this mean that multiple non-physical things (consciences) exist in an objective world? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Does this mean that which is a product of consciousness is separate from the objective world? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Does this make consciousness subjective? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Does a subjective consciousness infer flawed perception? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Are all thoughts and senses dependent on consciousness? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Are all processes and methods derived from thoughts and senses? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Are science, logic, and reason processes and methods? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Are all processes and methods derived from thoughts and senses? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Are all thoughts and senses dependent on consciousness? If so, (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote: Do you exist? Phew! I've been busy in organizing my answers to make it more easy to read. Edited: fixed an [ hide][-/hide] error (December 23, 2011 at 3:59 am)Perhaps Wrote:(December 23, 2011 at 2:55 am)Blam! Wrote: Are you implying that the slightness, logic, reason and science are limited by "physical"? Yes.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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