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Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
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Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16206336

Uninformed individuals are vital for achieving a democratic consensus, according to a study in the journal Science.

The researchers say that they dilute the influence of minority factions who would otherwise dominate everyone else.

This is because they tend to side with and embolden the numerical majority.

The findings challenge the commonly held idea that an outspoken minority can manipulate uncommitted voters.

"We show that when the uninformed participate, the group can come to a majority decision even in the face of a powerful minority," said lead author Iain Couzin, from Princeton University.

"They prevent deadlock and fragmentation because the strength of an opinion no longer matters - it comes down to numbers. You can imagine this being a good or bad thing.

"Either way, a certain number of uninformed individuals keep that minority from dictating or complicating the behaviour of the group."

Natural preference

But the effect has its limits. The team found that if the number of uninformed becomes too high, a group ceases to function coherently, with neither the majority nor the minority taking the lead. (this explains the political situation in the U.S. today, IMHO - OGM)

"Eventually, noise dominates because there just aren't enough informed individuals to guide the group," said Dr Couzin.

The observations come from studying groups of fish, as well as mathematical models and computer simulations.

The experiments involved golden shiners, a fish prone to associating the colour yellow with a food reward. The researchers trained groups of golden shiners to swim towards a blue target, while smaller groups of fish were trained to follow their natural preference for a yellow target.

When the two groups were placed together, the minority's stronger desire for the yellow target dominated the group's behaviour.

But as fish with no prior training (the uninformed individuals) were introduced, the fish increasingly swam toward the blue target preferred by the majority.

Real-world parallels

Donald Saari, a professor of mathematics and economics at the University of California-Irvine who studies voting systems, said he saw parallels to the work in markets and politics.

He said the arc from minority domination to pluralism to the potential degeneration into "noise," could be seen in the US electoral system.

A forceful minority can dominate in circumstances that attract the more politically inclined, such as mid-term elections and primaries.

In more popular elections, however, that influence waned as less passionate people participated.

Situations in which a candidate's personality or personal life takes precedent over policy positions in voters' minds could be an equivalent to the breakdown in direction the Science study found when there were too many uninformed individuals, Prof Saari said.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Overall, I completely agree with the article. In a society based on individualism there necessitates a democracy where all are heard equally. Unfortunately, however, when the majority becomes uniformed as to the current situation - either by choice or by coercion - the democracy fails, and becomes stagnant, or in some cases, changes to become an oligarchy. The description of the levels of 'uninformed-ness' is intriguing and something I've never took serious time to think about, but they make sense.

Thanks for the article, good read.
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
Quote:"We show that when the uninformed participate, the group can come to a majority decision even in the face of a powerful minority,


In Australia we call the majority 'the donkey voters".These are people who vote for the same party all of their lives,even if they don't like their local candidate.

Elections here are almost always decided by the 'swinging voters', which means between 3 and 6% in most electorates.These people have the wit to actually think about the candidates,and choose the one who seems to offer them the most or who will damage them the least.

I have no idea who the academics consider 'informed'. My perception is that outside of the political arena, such animals are very rare indeed.Thinking
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
I think a distinction needs to be made between "uninformed" and "batshit crazy."
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
Maybe that system is broke? Popular opinion is really no way to make decisions... especially if most of the people aren't even informed on the issue. Definitely makes me happy for a repulic, rather than a straight democracy.
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
(December 20, 2011 at 1:36 am)Minimalist Wrote: I think a distinction needs to be made between "uninformed" and "batshit crazy."

It would be interesting to see the results of a study of batchit crazy people.

Oh wait...

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Reminds me a lot of this:

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'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
Even in a republic, the representatives are voted in by the general public or popular opinion. I'd propose a political technocracy.

Technocracy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
I wonder if Perry has been to any of Cheney's hunting parties.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
(December 20, 2011 at 1:58 am)Perhaps Wrote: Even in a republic, the representatives are voted in by the general public or popular opinion. I'd propose a political technocracy.

Technocracy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

LOVE IT! When and where can we start?
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RE: Uninformed 'vital for democracy'
Start with economics, then progress to social reform, then political reform. It's a long process, and it requires quite a few brilliant minds to accomplish. To completely redefine a country takes more than a group of unhappy protesters - as Time magazine seems to think, it requires the greatest minds of the time to come together for the betterment of society. People need to be led, but unfortunately, leaders often become corrupt with power.
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