Ignosticism

[KichigaiNeko]

So thank you for all the answers.
First: so yes, english is far away from being my mother tongue, and I have to look up words, so I surely also choose expressions that are unusual or not suiting well. In the second place, the correction function of taptalk really is annoying me, since it often changes my words. I re-read what I wrote afterwards, but I am sometimes do not find the wrongly 'corrected' words.

What adds to this fact is that I am really confused, and obviously have problems to define a clear question, so I think I wrote to find my question, not to ask a question. I read across several threads and looked up some terms in a dictionary and then all my thougths rolled over quite a bit. I am still not satisfied with this deity-thing I feel. But what makes it so unsatisfying?
Let me have another try.
From the view of my grandfather, the thing is clear. There is nothing beyond physical world. Also no god, that is an entity. Even I do not have a need for a controlling or interfering entity, and think that such entities are projections, I've problems with this total refusement of every kind of metaphysics. But this is maybe the problem of beeing trapped in my thoughts at the moment, as you mentioned.

Uhm, don't know. I am still confused and also not satisfied... I guess, if the answer is 42, I still have to search for the rigth question.

So just what IS your "Mother Tongue" ?

Have you noted in your profile just where on this planet you are from?? I see you have not. A country would be very nice and would also help give us (on the forums) a better idea of what you are trying to say. Many online translators are not very good and Tap Talk does have it's limits as you have found out.

Unfortunately, the lingua franca of this forum is english and many are very well versed in it's use.

Even if you put your mark on this http://atheistforums.org/usermap.php it would help.

[Ellease1]

Ellease

I just want to understand things that are not clear to me.

That may be so,but what comes across is a patronising,didactic twat with nothing to teach

First and foremost, there is nothing to teach, the reality needs no teachers, fundamentally it's self explanatory to those with intelligence. Obviously you will need to think about these things if you only have intellect at your disposal. However unlike the intellect, you dont possess Intelligence, it is intrinsic, you have to make yourself vulnerable to it, it has it's roots in existence not in the mind. It is as old as the cosmos, intellect however is mere cognition, it is a branch of Intelligents but its rooted in mind. Hence your thinking. Intelligence is a knowing therefore there is no need to bother with belief, with intelligence you either know something or you don't. Like I said if you identify with mind then you will be confused. What is written will come across howsoever you decide to paint it, since what is said may have to pass through the colours of mind, your interpretations - your ideologies and belief systems. If you are an intellectual naturally you will have many. The point I'm making here is with the mind you move miles away and totally miss the point. And again there are no morals to teach, all morals are bogus. There is only conscious awareness of course if you are a social creature then you will need morals as guidance just like a believer needs doctrine or some form of ideology as the same.

[KichigaiNeko]

Ellease

I just want to understand things that are not clear to me.

That may be so,but what comes across is a patronising,didactic twat with nothing to teach

First and foremost, there is nothing to teach, the reality needs no teachers, fundamentally it's self explanatory to those with intelligence. Obviously you will need to think about these things if you only have intellect at your disposal. However unlike the intellect, you dont possess Intelligence, it is intrinsic, you have to make yourself vulnerable to it, it has it's roots in existence not in the mind. It is as old as the cosmos, intellect however is mere cognition, it is a branch of Intelligents but its rooted in mind. Hence your thinking. Intelligence is a knowing therefore there is no need to bother with belief, with intelligence you either know something or you don't. Like I said if you identify with mind then you will be confused. What is written will come across howsoever you decide to paint it, since what is said may have to pass through the colours of mind, your interpretations - your ideologies and belief systems. If you are an intellectual naturally you will have many. The point I'm making here is with the mind you move miles away and totally miss the point. And again there are no morals to teach, all morals are bogus. There is only conscious awareness of course if you are a social creature then you will need morals as guidance just like a believer needs doctrine or some form of ideology as the same.

Preaching??

Oh dear

[Ellease1]

No dear, just revealing glimpses of the truth.

[KichigaiNeko]

No dear, just revealing glimpses of the truth.

Wow !!

Just new to this are you??

You are a bit behind the times baby

And YES you ARE preaching

[Ellease1]

Yes, every day is a new day to me. And if you say I'm preaching then that's what I'm doing. Naturally if you lack understanding you will paint. Besides Anything would be better than fumbling around in the dark.

[KichigaiNeko]

Yes, every day is a new day to me. And if you say I'm preaching then that's what I'm doing. Naturally if you lack understanding you will paint. Besides Anything would be better than fumbling around in the dark.

While I commend your convictions elle preaching is not permitted on this forum. Perhaps you would like to word your posts in a manner that indicates HOW you view the world since you nor any one else is the sole possessor of a truth let alone THE TRUTH?

[Ellease1]

And yes I am behind times , since in the present there is now time. Naturally when in the mind, you are always trying to be ahead. Mind can never be in the present it resides only in th past and future. Mind is a greedy phenomena ruled by the ego, alway seeking knowledge of some sort, and it is all useless chit chat since it is always given to you by somebody else, who may also be in the same boat as yourself . Knowing is something different that rises up within. It is like the flower that comes into bloom, it's its nature, intrinsic. It comes in due season - knowledge perceived will always be in proportion to the mind or technology that conceive it.

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Yes, every day is a new day to me. And if you say I'm preaching then that's what I'm doing. Naturally if you lack understanding you will paint. Besides Anything would be better than fumbling around in the dark.

While I commend your convictions elle preaching is not permitted on this forum. Perhaps you would like to word your posts in a manner that indicates HOW you view the world since you nor any one else is the sole possessor of a truth let alone THE TRUTH?

I have no views, views are basically attitudes, I have no attitude towards life I simple accept what is. Views are pictures painted with, sometimes bueatiful colour. They are consoling just like God is to the believer and since they can only be personal they serve only to keep you from the truth. I simply reflect the reality and nothing more.

[KichigaiNeko]

And yes I am behind times , since in the present there is now time. Naturally when in the mind, you are always trying to be ahead. Mind can never be in the present it resides only in th past and future. Mind is a greedy phenomena ruled by the ego, alway seeking knowledge of some sort, and it is all useless chit chat since it is always given to you by somebody else, who may also be in the same boat as yourself . Knowing is something different that rises up within. It is like the flower that comes into bloom, it's its nature, intrinsic. It comes in due season - knowledge perceived will always be in proportion to the mind or technology that conceive it.

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Yes, every day is a new day to me. And if you say I'm preaching then that's what I'm doing. Naturally if you lack understanding you will paint. Besides Anything would be better than fumbling around in the dark.

While I commend your convictions elle preaching is not permitted on this forum. Perhaps you would like to word your posts in a manner that indicates HOW you view the world since you nor any one else is the sole possessor of a truth let alone THE TRUTH?

I have no views, views are basically attitudes, I have no attitude towards life I simple accept what is. Views are pictures painted with, sometimes bueatiful colour. They are consoling just like God is to the believer and since they can only be personal they serve only to keep you from the truth. I simply reflect the reality and nothing more.

My dear...there is ONLY NOW, that is why is it called The Present, a gift if you like poetic floridae.

I have no ego...lost it decades ago my dear little one.

What time is it??

Where are you??

[Zen Badger]

Oh gods, I have to ask....

What is the reality?