Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?

[Minimalist]

Apparently he is under the misapprehension that relocating the word "not" in his question somehow makes its more relevant.

Either that, or he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.

[Cyberman]

However - when asked - you never get anything from THEM to support their statement - and that alone is enough to reject the christ.

It's interesting - and revealing - to take a cursory glance around the boards and count up all the occurrences of believers making some unsupported assertion or other, then complaining about unfair treatment when asked for evidence. Now compare that to all the times one of us heathen heretics makes reference to some biblical passage or inevitable consequence of their doctrine; then they absolutely can't settle until handed "book, chapter and verse" on a plate.

It's "Heads they win, tails we lose". Or Snakes And Ladders with greased rungs and imaginary dice.

[Minimalist]

then they absolutely can't settle until handed "book, chapter and verse" on a plate.

Perhaps that's just a reading comprehension problem. They assert that they have all read this shit....or "studied it" in G-C's case.... but he has a great deal of trouble remembering WTF is in it.

Selective amnesia or just plain stupid. You decide.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Perhaps that's just a reading comprehension problem. They assert that they have all read this shit....or "studied it" in G-C's case.... but he has a great deal of trouble remembering WTF is in it.

Perhaps also a combination of intellectual dishonestly , cognitive dissonance and doublethink. I have always been fascinated at how say Christian apologists always dismiss the work of expert secular scholars whenever it contradicts dogma. I guess it's an improvement from burning them alive.


The attitude is also "the bible means what it says,except when it doesn't (and I decide when that is)"

EG Recently some apologist here claimed Jesus met the conditions for the Messiah as foretold by the prophets, However, actually having a look at said prophets,shows Jesus did not even come close.

Apologists claim Jesus abrogated Mosaic law,yet Matthew 5 17-19 shows this is untrue. Of course, that is one of those cases in which the bible doesn't mean what it says.

LAST NIGHT I was watching a show I recently obtained; "Lost Girl". One of the characters says something like: "these things happened over 1000 years ago,they are mostly myth and legend" .I then thought "Oh.The New Testament was written about 2000 years ago,the Torah closer to 3000 years. Mmmmmm "

[Cyberman]

It's rather like Conservapedia's infamous posterboy NephilimFree, when he says he's "studied" geological evidence and scientific papers. What he really means, and he's actually admitted this, is that he just looks at photos and, at best, glances at the titles and the abstracts of scientific papers. That apparently counts as study for these people.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

It's rather like Conservapedia's infamous posterboy NephilimFree, when he says he's "studied" geological evidence and scientific papers. What he really means, and he's actually admitted this, is that he just looks at photos and, at best, glances at the titles and the abstracts of scientific papers. That apparently counts as study for these people.

Well, maybe part of the problem might be that journals are so hard to be accessed for lay people. Articles are expensive (if they're even for sale). I have the luxury right now since I'm in college of having access to JSTOR, Oxford Journals, and a ton of our databases for free so I'm collecting all the articles I can find while I have the opportunity on whatever specific topic that interests me so I can study it later.

[Cyberman]

I could grant Nephy that if not for the fact that he's held as an authorative source by others in his kind of circle (and I'm trying to be polite to those people there). Others I've known who have debated - or more accurately, argued - with him have essentially expressed that this sort of material, though not immediately accessible to everyone, is still available even if at some cost. Nephy just looks at a title such as (just to make one up for the sake of example) "Problems about radiometric dating" and concludes that radiometric dating doesn't work.

Neph is also an infamous geocentrist, if that helps.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Neph is also an infamous geocentrist, if that helps.

As all True Christians ™ must be since scripture clearly says so.

[Cyberman]

One of his funniest videos shows him holding up a photo of the night sky, taken with an exposure long enough to show complete star trails, and claiming it's incontrovertible proof that the Universe revolves around the Earth. Apparently, if the Earth was not at the centre of the Universe, the star trails would all be perfectly linear and parallel.

All of his videos - apart form the psychotically disturbing ones - are hilarious, but unlike (say) Edward Current's, they're not meant to be. Which only makes them funnier.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

One of his funniest videos shows him holding up a photo of the night sky, taken with an exposure long enough to show complete star trails, and claiming it's incontrovertible proof that the Universe revolves around the Earth. Apparently, if the Earth was not at the centre of the Universe, the star trails would all be perfectly linear and parallel.

Oops, I was about to honor him with the title "True Christian ™" but then he went against scripture in favor of what he could see from stargazing (which sounds a little too close to science for my tastes).

The Bible clearly says the wise men followed a star. Now if we believe Nephy and these astronomers, stars move about in the night sky in circles. If that were true, it would mean the wise men would have traveled in circles. So obviously science must be wrong wherever scripture says otherwise.