What is Justice?

[reverendjeremiah]

I agree amkerman - That is why it would be justice to oppose capitalism. Trying to make profit on your fellow human being is not right. It is not just.

[Blam!]

The justice is to punish the one for his/her own misdeeds by morally redefining laws, so to set an example that similar misdeed should be refrained.

[reverendjeremiah]

The justice is to punish the one for his/her own misdeeds by morally redefining laws, so to set an example that similar misdeed should be refrained.

Is it ONLY morally? Mind you that we have the "department of justice", who would seek out an punish people for running from the war draft.

Is that justice? Because it would fit your definition.

[houseofcantor]

What the Rev calls "stackable philosophy" is how I utilize archetype. One absolute in 4 - I love my Gwynnies - beyond which everything else is hypothesis. Yeah, that's an absurd philosophy; it is also truth. Philosophy is nothing other than a search for truth; the duality of this identity ends in 4, prolly ain't 4 you.

Dual-state identity postulates duality as an artifact of time. Justice is but another identity often conflicted with the eternal, usually resulting in the collection of adjective, perfect, or pure, or true.

Zero-state morality postulates that morality can only be absolute to the individual. The I am that I am is a zero-state; the I am that writes, writes in a state of becoming. One of learning and conflict; one resolution of that conflict is to be evil in the fight against evil. In such a manner I can be Justice; what I cannot condone is Justice without morality.

Is Justice possible? Rewrite all the laws, throw the money out, form a global economy that makes sense; yeah, maybe. Justice is a busy girl in my mind.

[reverendjeremiah]

Brilliant Cantor. Absolutely brilliant. How long have you been a member of "the Thinking Atheist.com"?

What the Rev calls "stackable philosophy" is how I utilize archetype.

*snaps fingers*

THAT was the word. I heard it before but i just couldnt put my finger on it since I quit studying philosophy in the early 90's and turned to electro mechanical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype

You have you Archetype (which is your base philosophy...the one big MAIN one), and the others flow from it along with your personal preferences...well, for lack of a better definition. I used "stackables" because I have played Dungeons and Dragons too much. Stackable damage, Stackable bonuses, etc.. LOL (IM A GEEK that can run a fucking jackhammer and an excavator.)

One absolute in 4 - I love my Gwynnies - beyond which everything else is hypothesis.

You love Guiness too? HEL YEAH!

Yeah, that's an absurd philosophy; it is also truth. Philosophy is nothing other than a search for truth; the duality of this identity ends in 4, prolly ain't 4 you.

Many philosophies dont make sense. Many say things they will never be able to prove. Many philosophies merely point out the absurd.... and if you want to know why, then ask this question:

How can the philosophies of "monism" and "Dualism" both exist in the same universe?

They do. They both also are diametrically opposed to each other. Some people believe in one. Others believe in the other.

Dual-state identity postulates duality as an artifact of time. Justice is but another identity often conflicted with the eternal, usually resulting in the collection of adjective, perfect, or pure, or true.

In other words...its a word game. its what we want it to be when we want it. (of course I am simplifying)

Zero-state morality postulates that morality can only be absolute to the individual. The I am that I am is a zero-state; the I am that writes, writes in a state of becoming.

...and it is "becoming", because "being" suggest a snap shot of time. We are really "becoming" instead of "being". This is basically what Absurdism's view on morality is. it is personal opinion. Nothing more.

One of learning and conflict; one resolution of that conflict is to be evil in the fight against evil. In such a manner I can be Justice; what I cannot condone is Justice without morality.

this is where you lose me...when you say the word "evil". That word brings up a red flag.

Is Justice possible? Rewrite all the laws, throw the money out, form a global economy that makes sense; yeah, maybe. Justice is a busy girl in my mind.

Sounds like a busy girl that I want to help. Sounds great to me. Sure, I can dig your idea of Justice.

[Blam!]

The justice is to punish the one for his/her own misdeeds by morally redefining laws, so to set an example that similar misdeed should be refrained.

Is it ONLY morally? Mind you that we have the "department of justice", who would seek out an punish people for running from the war draft.

Is that justice? Because it would fit your definition.

Now you point out the error of my statement. I can't think of correct term other than "morally". So what's the correct term? Conscience? Self-improving morals? Self-improving ethics?

I don't think the punishment for deserters are justified. Besides, soldiers can resign anytime to leave the war, right? Soldier' innocent desertion of war could cost comrade's life. Hmm. Justice sometimes aren't the "shining in the armor knight", but it is tainted with mistakes, errors and prejudice. There is no absolutes like Good and Evil, Black and White but Gray?

At best, we're trying to improvise ourselves.

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One absolute in 4 - I love my Gwynnies - beyond which everything else is hypothesis.

You love Guiness too? HEL YEAH!

I can't handle that beer without straining my face over the taste of bitterness... I can handle Arrogant Bastard ales, but.. Guinness is ultimate bitterness.

Or is it?????

[KichigaiNeko]

The ultimate in Ale and an Archetype in it's own right.

[houseofcantor]

Brilliant Cantor. Absolutely brilliant. How long have you been a member of "the Thinking Atheist.com"?

Joined TTA forum in October, now responsible for 2% of the neck on that site. Got lots of neck.

this is where you lose me...when you say the word "evil". That word brings up a red flag.

There is simplicity in duality. All the people, ever lived, me and you. 2. Then there's that Gwyneth who I never met and completely adore. She's gotta be good. So if I say, I am evil, you are good - I'm talking to my Gwynnies, and the seven billion "you" between us.

What is evil? Origin. Point-object truth. Local entropic minima. Knowing the capability of the self for infamy, and minimizing probability. To be known as evil is to consider the passing of evil from the world with my passing.

I could go on... but it is just a word and a concept.