Veganism?

[Rhizomorph13]

Yeah, but what level vegan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtuMIaOGRy8

[Diamond]

So I decided to take the time out to share this thread with a vegetarian forum, just to see what they think, and here are some of their responses:

As an atheist all I have to say is you people are supposed to be the RATIONAL ones damn it! I skimmed some of the thread and wow. Just wow.

Half tempted to sign up just to put in an counter argument... This stuff is RIDICULOUS.

For a group that holds themselves up as rational and logical, they sure come out with some pretty ridiculous reasoning. Makes me think they didn't arrive at their rejection of the god hypothesis using logic and reason at all, but just jumped on the bandwagon. They also like to spout about how they are persecuted for their lack of belief in God, yet then bully veg*ns in exactly the same way. It's sickening and hypocritical to me and one of the reasons I no longer take part in any atheist groups online. Their inconsistency and hypocrisy is staggering at times (sweeping generalization I know).

For prime example from that thread. Atheists belittle believers for using circular reasoning.

"God is true because the bible says he is, the bible is true because it is the inerrant word of god"

So to see the following from a so-called creature of reason, is incredibly annoying to me : "Meat is good cuz meat is good"

[KichigaiNeko]

Not very bright are they??
*note sarcastic tone of voice.

But hey if that is what floats their boat ...meh Care factor = Zero

[RW_9]

So I decided to take the time out to share this thread with a vegetarian forum, just to see what they think, and here are some of their responses...

I would love to discuss the topic with them or whoever. I don't see how my posts in the thread were anything but measured and to the point.

[Minimalist]

I'd be willing to invite them to a ribs and burger bbq to discuss the matter in person.

If they want to graze on grass they are shit out of luck. I don't have grass.

[genkaus]

Actually, the trouble that vegans have with egg and milk products is what animals have to go through to provide these things. Chickens are kept in small cages their whole lives and when they can't lay anymore eggs, they're killed. That's the case with free-range chickens as well. And contrary to popular belief, cows, like other mammals, are only able to provide milk after they give birth. Not "because they're cows." So, they're constantly impregnated. And if the calf is male, it's turned to veal (because, obviously, male cows can't provide milk).
I would go vegan, but where I live, it's completely impossible. The only brand of vegan cheese I've ever tried sucks ass and I've never tried almond milk so there's no telling if I would like that. I could do without eggs, though, real or fake. I just plain don't like them.

I'm curious, would Vegans be okay with milk and eggs if there was no animal cruelty involved. I cannot speak for chickens, but where I live cows do still have this "holy" status.

Unlike more developed countries, milk is not mass-produced by enormous dairy farms. Most of the people in the business as not very rich or well-educated and therefore, not exactly free form their religious teachings. As far as they know, cows must be kept healthy and well-fed even if it is not productive. Once it is past the productive age, it is set free to roam the world - literally. You cannot walk down a street in India without seeing a cow or two lounging about smack in the middle of the road. And any time you do walk down the street, you have to keep your eyes on the ground to avoid stepping into any bullshit.

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Okay - so you don't know much about law, then.

What is it based on then?

[Minimalist]

The criminal statutes of 49 of the 50 states are based on English common law which began developing under Alfred the Great...some 9 centuries before the constitution was written.

The phrase you are referring to, "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" appears in the Preamble to the constitution which is not law.


The 50th state, btw, is Louisiana which has its criminal code based on the Napoleonic Code.

[Diamond]

Actually, the trouble that vegans have with egg and milk products is what animals have to go through to provide these things. Chickens are kept in small cages their whole lives and when they can't lay anymore eggs, they're killed. That's the case with free-range chickens as well. And contrary to popular belief, cows, like other mammals, are only able to provide milk after they give birth. Not "because they're cows." So, they're constantly impregnated. And if the calf is male, it's turned to veal (because, obviously, male cows can't provide milk).
I would go vegan, but where I live, it's completely impossible. The only brand of vegan cheese I've ever tried sucks ass and I've never tried almond milk so there's no telling if I would like that. I could do without eggs, though, real or fake. I just plain don't like them.

I'm curious, would Vegans be okay with milk and eggs if there was no animal cruelty involved. I cannot speak for chickens, but where I live cows do still have this "holy" status.

Unlike more developed countries, milk is not mass-produced by enormous dairy farms. Most of the people in the business as not very rich or well-educated and therefore, not exactly free form their religious teachings. As far as they know, cows must be kept healthy and well-fed even if it is not productive. Once it is past the productive age, it is set free to roam the world - literally.

Hm...I suppose they would be okay with eating eggs if the chickens were, as you put it, set free to roam the world. But I'm sure they'd still have a problem with dairy because, like I said, the only way cows can even make milk in the first place is when they have babies.

But, of course, I can't necessarily speak for them. Maybe I'll ask one that's gone vegan for moral reasons as I'm 100% sure the ones that do it for health reasons will say, "No. I still wouldn't be okay with it."

[KichigaiNeko]

I find the "set free to roam the world." rather ridiculous. How is being thus going to lengthen or indeed be of benefit to these animals??

[reverendjeremiah]

I grew up in Norfolk Virginia..the headquarters of PETA. Met many of their members...

Trust me when I say that they will bless this forum with their absence from it.