Zero Point Energy: ?

[lilphil1989]

Oh, the area around the black hole. So where is the substance sucked into if there is no 'inside'?

It goes beyond the event horizon, where it can no longer be seen, because space time is bent in such a way that a photon at that point travelling in a straight line (in it's own frame of reference) isn't travelling in a straight line in a frame of reference that includes the black hole and considerable "flat" space around it.

Think of it as an inside if you like, I guess this is a good description in that nothing can "get out", I just think it implies that there's some huge transition at the event horizon.

Therefore to state a blackhole follows any laws is ridiculous. You can make assumption all day, but it makes no difference. There is a difference between 'thinking something' and 'knowing something'.

I don't think any scientist claims they know something. Only that the evidence suggests that it's true.
That doesn't mean you can say "You don't know something with absolute certainty, therfore any suggestion put forward is equally valid"

I will not believe anything a physicist assumes. They have been proven wrong before. So, until that point you can write to your hearts desire.

Yous seem to view science with a lot of suspicion... given your post in the nutjob atheist thread (can't remember what it was called) I'd even be tempted to call it hatred
Is there a reason?

If you study science, can you understand everything in the Universe?

At the moment no, if you think I was implying that, I'm sorry, I wasn't.
In the future maybe, I don't think it's fundamentally impossible.

[Edwardo Piet]

If you study science, can you understand everything in the Universe?

At the moment no, if you think I was implying that, I'm sorry, I wasn't.
In the future maybe, I don't think it's fundamentally impossible.

I guess it's not impossible although I'm pretty certain there will always be something unknown that we cannot understand (or simply can't understand since we can't even know about it - it's undetectable by science).

Scientists and science as a whole, possibly, 1 individual scientist I would say is impossible though of course. You can't study and understand EVERYTHING - if only because there's no time!!

That's why it's important that you study things you are the most interested in I think - cos there's not time to study it all so you might as well make sure you are studying something you find to be interesting.

EvF

[lilphil1989]

I don't think it is impossible, but have no idea whether it will actually happen. Perhaps we'll become extinct before we get to that point

1 individual scientist I would say is impossible though of course. You can't study and understand EVERYTHING - if only because there's no time!!

Yeah, I'd love to have been a scientist back in the 17/1800's, when it was possible for one person to be mathematician, physicist, chemist etc all at once (Well, not at the exact same time :p but in a lifetime)

[Edwardo Piet]

Yeah.

Fuck, I'd loved to have been Leonardo Da Vinci... - he didn't just do all the (natural) sciences at a high level at the time pretty much...he did it like all!! Artist, scientist, mathematician, sculptor, Inventor, engineer, architect, Musician - and MORE - he wasn't just a Polymath....he was the fucking head Polymath of the Renascence!! - and as far as I know, of ALL TIME!

His insatiable curiosity and commitment to learning - I can't do it that well, I mean, I get BORED.

"Learning never exhausts the mind" - Leonardo.

From the start of the Leonardo Da Vinci article from Wikipedia:

'Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci (it-Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci.ogg pronunciation (help·info), April 15, 1452 – May 2, 1519) was an Italian polymath, being a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer. Leonardo has often been described as the archetype of the renaissance man, a man whose unquenchable curiosity was equaled only by his powers of invention.[1] He is widely considered to be one of the greatest painters of all time and perhaps the most diversely talented person ever to have lived.[2] Helen Gardner says "The scope and depth of his interests were without precedent...His mind and personality seem to us superhuman, the man himself mysterious and remote".[1]'

- fuck, if you want to learn shit and you could have been at any time and have been anyone - I'd have liked to have been him. Must have been a fucking learning experience or WHAT?

EvF

[Tiberius]

Da Vinci will certainly be hailed as one of the greatest men to ever live.

[Edwardo Piet]

Will be? Isn't he already?

[Tiberius]

I meant he will for the rest of time

[Edwardo Piet]

Haha too fucking right mate!!

Lol

Yeah well...he just seemed like a really rare and special case...I wouldn't be surprised if no one that amazing (overall) was born again...

And if they were I doubt they could be argued to be AHEAD (or at least, not that FAR ahead) in 'awesomeness' lol.

I think he really was a special case. A freak of nature (freak in a good way lol).

EvF

[g-mark]

Yous seem to view science with a lot of suspicion... given your post in the nutjob atheist thread (can't remember what it was called) I'd even be tempted to call it hatred
Is there a reason?

My initial background is science. I have no hatred for science. In fact, science is one of the keys to understanding.

But from my experience, extremelly intelligent people are little quirky. Some people call them 'nut jobs' as they don't understand what the 'intelligent' person talks about about. If you talk to any average blue collar worker at the pub about science, he/she will call you a 'nut job' or look at you strange. It is just an observation I have encountered. Also, many scientists/professors are little different due to thier increased intellect. A good example is the movie 'A Beautiful Mind'.

Personally, I consider people who understand science to have a beautiful minds, as many of my school friends did.

[lilphil1989]

My initial background is science. I have no hatred for science. In fact, science is one of the keys to understanding.

OK, my mistake. What did you do?

But from my experience, extremelly intelligent people are little quirky. Some people call them 'nut jobs' as they don't understand what the 'intelligent' person talks about about. If you talk to any average blue collar worker at the pub about science, he/she will call you a 'nut job' or look at you strange. It is just an observation I have encountered. Also, many scientists/professors are little different due to thier increased intellect. A good example is the movie 'A Beautiful Mind'.
Personally, I consider people who understand science to have a beautiful minds, as many of my school friends did.

I think I agree with what you're saying, I suppose having an anti-intellectual society (for the most part) adds to this perception.
Like kids who prefer to read over playing computer games, for example, are seen as "wierd".

But this doesn't detract from any scientific conclusions made. I think you were implying it does, you said earlier "I will never trust anything a theoretical physicist tells me" (I paraphrase, it's on a different page), because mainstream society sees them as wierd?