Tips on union busting

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

The odds arent looking so good for this forum right now. And remember, unions rarely ever hold a ballot longer than a work day or 24 hours

You also need to remember that few unions have secret ballots. (at least they didn't when I was a rabid unionist)

In those days I was young and naive,fully supporting the notion of the closed shop (no union ticket,no start) That was before I discovered just how corrupt some union officials can be.


I also discovered the depth of bad faith with which BOTH sides usually negotiate. However, I remain a strong union supporter ,based one simple principle; If workers could trust their employers,unions would not be necessary.

[Anomalocaris]

My response to such a poll; You will assume silence means "no"? Fuck you.

Actually, it is the nonvoter, not the voting system, that will be fucked

[reverendjeremiah]

The odds arent looking so good for this forum right now. And remember, unions rarely ever hold a ballot longer than a work day or 24 hours

You also need to remember that few unions have secret ballots. (at least they didn't when I was a rabid unionist)

In those days I was young and naive,fully supporting the notion of the closed shop (no union ticket,no start) That was before I discovered just how corrupt some union officials can be.


I also discovered the depth of bad faith with which BOTH sides usually negotiate. However, I remain a strong union supporter ,based one simple principle; If workers could trust their employers,unions would not be necessary.

Well said. Believe me when I say this but I am not one of those types of union officials. The unions were hijacked by racist bubba types as an inner club for trades in America. Once the anti-racist / sexist laws took effect you saw how quick it lost its appeal in America?

When the labor unions started they where nothing like they are now. When the haymarket affair happened. THAT was when the union was a real union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

That was the birth of populist unionism (anarcho-syndicalism / socialism) in America. Not that communist Red Scare crap, but real trade oriented, bottom up management ideas.

How that turned into union bosses making 300 G's a year has pissed me off. We have lost something. We let them walk all over us now.

How do you like the businesses pledging 100 million just in ads for Mitt Romney... people out of work for months, hungry, getting kicked out on the streets... yet our "job creators" wasting 100 mil just on mud slinging political ads to buy our representation from us?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

How do you like the businesses pledging 100 million just in ads for Mitt Romney...

It bemuses and disgusts me ,as does the news that Obama will have a cool one $billion for his election campaign

My position has long been that only individuals,not companies should be permitted to donate to a political party, and that there should be a personal and cumulative cap.

Ideally, the amounts spent on election campaigns should be capped. There have been moves here in Australia for decades to control political donations and even to restrict the costs of election campaigns,which would be paid from the public purse. (probably a tad optimistic all round.)

While I'm being unrealistic,I'd also like to see commercial lobbying made illegal. (yeah,pigs will fly first)


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Here the Australian Labor party began as the political arm of the trade union movement and was radically left wing. At that time,and until 1975,politics in Australia was effectively a class war. Me? My family background is working-class-bog-Irsih-Catholic (think of the Boston Irish but less refined)


1975 was the time of Australia's constitutional crisis,and marked the very beginning of the end of trade union power in this country. Today, Australia,like the US and the UK, has no effective politcal left.

The 1975 Australian constitutional crisis (sometimes called "the Dismissal") has been described as the greatest political crisis and constitutional crisis in Australia's history. It culminated on 11 November 1975 with the removal of the Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), by Governor-General Sir John Kerr. Kerr then appointed the Leader of the Opposition Malcolm Fraser as caretaker Prime Minister.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_...is_of_1975

[reverendjeremiah]

Dont get me started on that hack of a "progressive" Obama

During a 2007 campaign speech in Spartanburg, South Carolina, then-Senator Obama told supporters he would fight for collective bargaining rights if he was elected president.

“And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself. I’ll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5voSHCn6...r_embedded

FUCKING LIAR!!!! Where were you in Wisconsin? All of this is nothing but fucking lies to the unions. He was quiet as hell about it. Would have been nice to see a president walking a picket line with the REAL people of America who want to make things better... guess business as usual and pocket change.

now he is caving in on religious objections to birth control in hospitals.

[SilverFrog]

The demise of the Trade Union Movement would be a return to slave labour. Unfortunately a lot of Union haters don't see it that way. With blinders on they figure that big corporations left on their own would do the right thing by their workers. Deluded thinking.
The gains that have been fought for tooth and nail by the Unions far outweigh the harm done by some union bosses. Nothing is perfect.

[Minimalist]

With blinders on they figure that big corporations left on their own would do the right thing by their workers. Deluded thinking.

There's quite a bit of that around here, unfortunately.

[RW_9]

He was never as progressive as people claimed he was. And it was painfully obvious before he even became president. He's a lukewarm centrist. But look at the other options. Hmm? Lesser of two "evils" is annoying, but it exists for a reason.

[reverendjeremiah]

Okay, according to the local laws placed upon the unions, the voting booth is closed. If you DID want to vote "Yes", then it is too late because now your vote is a "No".

We have a total of 2945 members.

9 of them have voted to keep the Forum.
0 of them have voted to dump the Forum
2938 of them have not voted.

Currently the vote results are

Keep the Forum = 1%
Drop the Forum = 99%

By order of state law this Forum will be shut down in 48 hours. Anyone found posting on this Forum will be found in breach of the law. Anyone caught gathering together during working hours will be terminated. Anyone caught trying to reorganize another Atheist Forum will be terminated. Employees caught passing out Atheist forums literature, or talking about Atheist Forums will be subject to termination.
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I hope most of you now get the point of what it is like trying to unionize or trying to be in a union in America. Many of the laws are made to go against you, and to make it unnecessarily difficult to unionize. Some politicians, like Ron Paul, even want to go so far as to ban ALL union work for Government jobs, no questions asked.

[Minimalist]

I would expect nothing else from a sleazy old cocksucker like Paul.